Zelensky confirms Israel sent Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, says more coming in fall
Zelensky confirms Israel sent Patriot missile battery to Ukraine, says more coming in fall
Talk about a poisoned gift...
Nobody wants gifts from Israel, but Ukraine desperately needs the hardware.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't...
This is even worse they bought these from them and they are basically moving aid from EU and NATO to Israel Wich get its stuff from the US for free..
Honestly I’d rather Ukraine have them than Israel. Am I supposed to be mad that they’ve micro-disarmed by doing this? Fuck no that’s a bit less firepower in Israel’s hands
Keep going! We love your charity Israel, give it ALL to Ukraine! 🥴
This is not a "poisoned gift". I would argue it's inappropriate to use the term in this context.
We don't have any other option. Considering the situation it would be absurd to not accept the Patriot systems. Hopefully the PAC-2's will be upgraded by the Americans to newer variants to better deal will "regular" ballistic missiles and the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
As a finn, I very much want "gifts" from Israel. Their air defence systems are amazing, and they have very nice looking defence capabilities against drones. Which seems to be a growing risk from Russia.
I hope nobody is surprised to hear that I value the people of Finland over the people of palestine.
Yeah well, Finland has a tradition of shamelessly using unsavory regimes to keep the Russians at bay.
Netanyahu is very friendly with Putin. I don't know if I would trust that gift personally.
I expect that that means that Israel isn't too worried about incoming ballistic missiles from Iran at this point, or they'd probably be hanging onto it.
Israel is a logical ally to Ukraine because both are being attacked by an evil entity using fake justification. The more nations are acting both against Russia and radical Islam, the better. To have a nation as advanced as Israel on the right side on this is a very good thing.
That is a facinating take the active genocide taking place in Gaza, carried out by Israel.
Israel isn't sending it because they're nice. They're sending it because it's a 30 year old system and they want new equipment. And it also makes them look slightly better. Though it would be difficult to look any worse for them.
Is that how you see the genocide in Gaza? That Israel is being "attacked by evil entity with fake justification"?
It's definitely not "the genocide". I don't think it's even "a genocide". As clarification, this is an example of what I think qualifies as a genocide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide and I am aware that UN has far far less stringent definitions. I don't think we should be watering down serious concepts like UN is doing there.
But yes, that's how I view Israel's justification for the Gaza War. Obviously Russia's justification for invading Ukraine is even more ludicrous than Hamas's justification for terrorizing and invading Israel regurarily, but it's not exactly sane either.
Hamas is obviously the greater evil in about the same way as Nazis were obviously the greater evil in Europe in WW2. Beating them was also extremely harsh for german civilians sometimes. Dresden firebombings killed 25 000 people in a single bombing raid, in a population of about 600 000 people. Relatively speaking about as many deaths in that one day than total in Gaza since October 7 2023.
Was it necessary? I cannot tell definitely, but probably not all of it was and probably most of it was.
This is the most illogical and ahistorical shit I’ve read all day. The only way you can frame the genocide of the Palestinians as defense against an evil entity is if you want to arbitrarily start history at a point decades after Israel began killing and displacing millions of people. That’s the same sort of intellectual dishonesty that Russia has used to fabricate historical rationalizations for their invasion.
Israel has more in common with Russia than Ukraine.
They are the aggressor. Palestinians are just defending themselves while living in the largest open-air prison on earth.
Fuck zionists and their simps. 9/11 happened specifically because of US support of Israel.
It's not worth it.
Sure. I just think that at some point after Israel left Gaza the last time in 2005, there was a long window of opportunity for gazans and palestinians to make everything better, but they totally failed to do so. Instead, they specifically voted in to power a terrorist organization who for the next almost 20 years did pretty much nothing except prepare to attack Israel.
There are reasons why prisons are made.
Are you talking about nazi "state" of israel? They're one of the r asons for radical islam. Them and fucking USA. And brittish colonial past.
I’ve been an outraged and outspoken supporter of Ukraine since before they were invaded. But, this is fucked. Zelensky can get all-the-way fucked if he’s going to ally with the war criminals like this.
If you’re in the United States, there’s a non-0 chance you didn’t vote for Kamala because of whatever bullshit Stance you have
How is Zelenskyy allying with Netanyahu?
We are getting their older Patriot systems (that are very much needed, you'll change your tune when the building across the street from you gets hit with a Shahed), what do you expect Zelenskyy to do, say "No!"?
I will speculate Zelenskyy's opinion of Netanyahu is far closer to your own, but unless you are willing to provide x8 Patriot missile systems, you are not in a position to judge.
Are you suggesting that Israel is getting nothing in return for this? At a bare minimum, Israel is purchasing support for their bloodthirsty expansionist project. Sorry, but I do expect Ukraine to say no. I don’t care what Zelensky’s (or any other leader’s) personal opinion is about anything. The only thing that matters is their actions. Providing even passive support for evil, like that personified by Israel, makes it more likely that nations will behave the way that Russia has against Ukraine. Find another way.
Any port in a storm to protect your people, it's the indecisiveness of the US support thats done this.
Israel's done it to piss people off it's politics. The US could have set this up an iron dome system n Ukraine years ago.
Shaking hands with a war criminal and a country involved in a genocide, also supporting said country?
Fuck off.
What do you expect Zelensky to do?
This sort of attitude is why the left doesn't win in the west (not to mention full on tankie degeneracy, which I am not accusing you of).
The comments here ought to be fun. What a shitshow we have made of this planet.