doomsday

This presumes you live around real people.

My neighbors are a mysterious Brazilian who changes the topic when asked his profession but drives many luxury cars (drugs were hinted at by others), an 85 year old MAGA anti-vacc used car salesman, an absentee company owner that uses a $1.25M house to park his logoed trucks, boats and jet skis, and a lawyer who adopts maladjusted dogs and leaves his door open for them to run around the neighborhood biting people (me last).

Brazilian throws large parties for people who drive Porsches, used car dealer complains about Democrats and leaves packages on his porch for over a year, absentee is able to hook up a boat and leave in two minutes, and lawyer neglects feral dogs and spends time with his horses. I have only ever seen the used car salesman do work. He loves running things with motors at night.

None garden but 3/4 installed insecticide systems to kill all pollinators on their property at the push of a button and hire people to put in nice ornamentals.

The same 3/4 produce more garbage in a week than my family of four does in two months and may throw out and replace clothing rather than washing, so I doubt mending is on the table. They certainly don't cook based on the food deliveries. Absentee business owner has never spent a night in that house in two years and I don't know what he wears or looks like.

Learned how to chop wood today

Doing a light version of the cabin in the woods thing ("F*** this city! I'm gonna go live in a cabin in the woods!")

Interestingly enough I am doing this cause I'm a musician and need a place where I won't bother anyone with my noise. Two birds one feeder, as the saying goes

Haven't heard the phrase, "two birds, one feeder," but I am partial to "feeding two birds with one scone."
- Oooh, that's much better! I'll be using that!

Maybe learn Vietnamese. They fought the French, the US, China, and Cambodia one after the other, and won. They must know some shit.

That or Dari. Afghans might know a thing or two

Damn, really sounds like you were just listing off all the traits of Anarchism

These people figure everyone else will do the hard stuff, and one day they’ll all come to their senses after rebuilding and realize they need a beans and guns guy. It’s a kind of narcissistic laziness.

- Those fuckers probably have turrets outside their bunkers and will shoot on site.
- Get a single back hoe and pour rocks in front of the door.
Nah....the people who fill their bunker with beans and guns are the same people who will use their guns to take from those who build gardens and communities.
In other words, they want all of the benefits of a community without putting in anything in return.
Or to put it even more simply: conservatives.
- I've played an enormous amount of post apocalyptic simulations and video games, so I've got some insight on how this typically goes:
  The bunkers with beans and guns are rare, but usually whoever is inside died of something really common, like an infection, broken leg or a stroke, and was unable to get medical aid in time.
  There's also loot boxes/caches in the woods where you see someone tried to be completely solo and typically "having weapons" is way less valuable than knowing how to use them
  The OG meme is right, you need other people in "the apocalypse", going it alone is a death sentence, even basic things can become enormously difficult (many hands make for light work)
  Make sure at least one of the people you know is a doctor, surgeon, or nurse of some kind
  And if the "guns-people" ever band together (band-its) and try to take stuff away, they typically don't have coordinated field tactics or military discipline, it's a slog but battling the cannibals with a regular army does eventually result in their extinction
- Risky game when the community garden people know which parts of the plants are toxic or not. Come try this "sloe berry" jam I made...
Well yes, we need the vents for his bunker, where else do we empty the latraines?

Or fight fascists to prevent a doomsday. Instead of voting them into office.

There's a significant percentage of preppers who want doomsday to come, because they think they will get to be a leader & have an "I told you so" moment, instead of the community seizing the spoils of their preparation.
- They all think they'll be Immortan Joe, and not the legless dude living in the bombed out sewer begging for water.
- And most preppers prepped for the wrong doomsday. Many got screwed during covid because they only prepped for war. It would also be shit if you prepped your entire life, spent thousands on it, then it to never happen. And most preppers think they prepped properly, but they lack the intelligence and/or skills to actually use everything they have or they forgot crucial components.
- Accelerationnists. Interestingly they come in all flavours of the political spectrum.
- The sad part is that so many people feel this is the only way to become a winning, respected member of their local community.
We all gotta start punching more fascists.
(I can't fight and I'm weak shit, so can someone throw in an extra hit on my behalf please? I'll get you a milkshake as thanks.)
- Same with me. But for that they invented tire irons and baseball bats. Tasers work nicely too. As a hacker you can do damage to them as well, financially for example. There are more ways to hurt them. If can't pack a punch like me, think outside the box, be creative.

Guns and bunkers would help at first though

Not just their professional trades. Cultivate skills. Cooking, repair, gardening, etc.

If you aren't armed and prepared to defend yourself and your community, you are just gathering resources and slaves for the people that are armed and want your stuff and want to turn you into slaves or corpses.

America 😬

Let's be honest, if there is a global apocalypse and the only people left are the billionaires in their bunkers, how long are they really going to hang around doing their own laundry, eating canned food, and watching reruns?

They will be rapidly killed by their private military teams and a bunch of warlords will break out from that.
- Iirc they are thinking about putting some kind of Killswitch collar to their "bodyguards" in "exchange" of a place in the bunker should an event arrive for this reason.

Porque no los dos?

Community engagement is vital, and we should all be involved with outreach, education, and mutual aid.

I think we all understand that we're on our own now, and if we want our communities to survive and thrive we need to take ownership and contribute.

But it's naive as fuck to pretend we won't be on our own protecting those communities as well. Arm up, train up.

Exactly, thank you!
These two ideas are not mutually exclusive, do both. I train with my neighbors fairly regularly, at the range (including tactical training), hunting, fishing, navigation (land and ocean), first aid certifications, etc.. We also work together to keep an eye on our neighborhood and on behalf of our other neighbors (early COVID times were absolutely wild here). I maintain a several HAM radios and a base station, and worked with some of my neighbors to help obtain their licenses. We all garden, cook, and do home repair and IT.
Unfortunately since we live near a major metro area when SHTF the best mid term plan is to bug out entirely, so we have updated plans for rendezvous and exfil to specific less populated areas. And as far as I know most households have bags ready to go.
I wouldn't go as far as saying we're preppers, we certainly don't imagine ourselves that way. We just acknowledge that disasters happen and our society isn't equipped to take care of an entire metropolis. We're not under any illusions of being master survivors.
I feel like this is just common sense, not paranoia. In school we all had it drilled into our heads to keep extra water, preserved food, and bags ready in case of a major earthquake (common enough in our area). I don't see why our planning isn't just a natural extension of that kind of preparedness.

BEANS

Mm beans tho

Establishing a community garden is a lot of fun actually. We have one in our house but it is not very big so you basically get a single vegetable every now and then but the whole working with the ground, keeping the irrigation system intact is soothing.

Where I live we have a CSA farm (Community-owned agriculture). You can join the coop to get a weekly share of veg and either do a day's work on the farm each week, or pay an amount each month. It's honestly amazing, it feels like I've hacked the system. I get cheap, organic veg grown less than a mile away and harvested the day before I collect it and it's upskilling and connecting the local community.
- yeah, that's very cool. there is nothing more satisfying than planting a bunch of seeds, watching them grow - you start to notice how much stuff they go through. It took me about two and a half months to get my first batch of plum tomatoes and just holding one of them in my hand felt like i just did something right.

Hey, this guy lives just up the road. Cool that he has made the jump to the fediverse (sort of).

Is that a fish smoking a cigarette? With its eye?

Well now I can't see anything but that!
Yes? So what? Don't your fish do that?
Now see, right there, that's the kinda shite you need to learn if you wanna survive the apocalypse.
It is a fish with a hook in it's mouth
- IT IS MOUTH

Join your local CERT, learn and get free stuff and meet people

What does CERT mean in this context? I'm only getting tech-related results. (Computer emergency response team.)
- In this context, Community Emergency Response Team.
- Geeks helping geeks?

Sorry about that, being in a usa school shell shocked me a little too much on active shooting events.

Damn.....that's just about perfect

Here I was hoping for a MF Doom reference. That said, in a doomsday scenario wouldn't your biggest threats be the neighbors you have? If you needed tools that don't break easily that's no big deal, but if you have something sensitive that's pretty risky to share (a pick axe is less critical than a generator for example). A community garden would be good, but if one of your neighbors is a self absorbed sociopath they would probably raid the community garden. Why do you need to learn to sew and patch when every department store probably has a life time worth of extra clothes? For self defense it's hard to argue against having a bunch of guns. For first aid, outside of administering it to yourself and your close network offense is the best defense. In an actual doomsday scenario it's much easier to shoot first and ask questions later than it is to mend wounds on yourself and others.

I'm all for a post apocalyptic socialist commune, but all it takes is one nut job for the peaceful socialist commune to turn into a fascist dictatorship. Unless everyone you know is of the same sociopolitical opinion as you, or if there are no guns around, then I'd still be stacking up guns if I could.

Hey, you're just preparing for a different doomsday. How do you know they're not preparing for an animal uprising, where all the bears, elk, and wolves team up to eliminate their human overlords? In that scenario, preparing hunting material makes tons of sense.

I’m a strong supporter of Americans learning Greco Roman wrestling or Sombo. It will take you far in life when people want to get hands on.

The moment I start learning the names of my neighbors I get: “What are you a cop? Scram!” or just get shot at the front porch. The moment I ask them their trade I get arrested by cops they called for “being too nosy.”
“That's my stuff! Don't touch it! Stop trespassing my property!”
“Do you have a license for this garden?”
Polyester Paradise
Self defense requires Gun praxis, and bean storage food aid.

Once those mentalities above are fixed, there‘s is no doomsday preparation that will take place.

Making knocking on doors and interrogating people would be weird but you can go to people where they are and be friendly. Wanna be some old timers go to the Eagles, or Elks. Younger people? No one at the Pub thinks it's weird if you go "so what to do you do for a living?"
- so what to do you do for a living?
  And I get “None of your business, glowie.”
  That particular advice here is wrong because comrades can learn skills and adapt to new syndicates. More importantly is to earn the trust of the community and solidify than to know their names and specialties. But learning to mutual aid takes a zeitgeist awakening (advice #2). If anything, learning what comrades in your community prefer doing and not is more important than learning names.
No idea why you are being down votes here and I wish people could explain why.
Formee in doomsday I don't really want to trust anyone.
- No idea either. I am an anarchist, I can only help the willing. I know where the willing meet. Canvassing never works. Mentalities have to change for actual change to give.
  You are welcome to @ them.

Yes, that stuff is very important Mom, now me and the boys gotta push back some traveling renegades that want to pillage our stores and goods. With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns, we will win. Store arms is essential dooms day prepping

People hated you because you spoke the truth. You need all the things to survive. Everything OP listed AND a way for the community to see to it's own defense. Which in the 21rst century means either guns, bows, or directed energy weapons.
After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources. Long term survival does not revolve around stock piling unsustainable weapons or once-off use food supplies.
- After a few years the guns will be useless and without resources
  Lol I own guns that are older than your grandpa. I also reload my own ammo. None of this stuff has a shelf life.
With our gun. And because we have so many really good guns
Literally all our violence problems in the USA stem from this kind of massive insecurity and self-reaffirmation. The guns are a product of this kind of feeling of isolationism and fear, not a cause.
How do you know if someone is a conservative white american? They will start babbling about firearms almost instantly when you talk about the possibility of destabilization.
How do you know if someone is one of the many millions of liberal or leftist firearm owners? You won't. They don't feel need to whip it out and stroke it in front of strangers. The Finnish are laughing at you.
The post here is both right and wrong. You do need guns to survive in a post-collapse situation, but vast, vast majority of gun-toting americans would either not survive or become the worst kinds of raiders and bandits themselves because they don't create community or sustainable systems in that community to keep people alive, and tend to ignore the importance of countless other facets of actual survival.