get shreked

That's literally one of my colleagues from back in the day. He was business development manager - all Gary V hustle shit and then some - like literally. Stayed late, kept doing rah rah speeches that everybody should commit their all for the cause, always agonized over every sentence in replies as if its a matter of life and death. When I was passed over for promotion I was told I'm not going hard unlike that guy. Well, that guy died of a heart attack two years later a little over 31yo - closed the deal and went to the gym to pump some iron while pumped on strong coffee - just dropped dead after doing a set. What's scary is that dude was three years younger than me - just how wrecked your body should be for that happen?

The vast majority of US workers are way beyond the Point of Diminishing Return. US labor laws are shit and the Europeans are enjoying life.

The average european has a good life, but the average person doesn't exist outside of statistics.
I used to work 84h weeks as a European, overtime is taxed at a higher rate so the take home is lower than a regular working hour. But if you really want something out of life (like buying a house) you have to sacrifice everything if you're just a normal worker.
Hell i sacrificed it all only to lose it to economic troubles and later again due to covid.
I'm not doing that again even though all my employers try to get me to work overtime, some even fired me for refusing to work overtime past the contractual 3h per week.
I somehow ended up making a decent wage at my current job, but i dislike the job so badly it's not even funny anymore.
- In what country is overtime taxed at a higher rate? People say this all the time but the same income tax rules apply to overtime. There is no higher overtime tax in the EU. Yes the average tax rate might be higher on overtime hours on your payslip, but that’s not because of a separate overtime tax, your overtime earnings falls in your highest or even a higher bracket because the earnings are added on top of your base salary. While the average tax rate of your base salary is lower because it covers multiple lower tax brackets and a tax break could have been applied. But if you earned the same money as a normal salary without overtime you’d be paying the same total tax amount. So no there is no higher tax for overtime it’s just how progressive income tax works. There are countries in the EU that give a tax break on overtime.

I refuse to believe that anybody who claims they are working 80 hours per week are actually productive or efficient for all 80 of those hours. If anything, I think their employers are the ones getting screwed by paying some guy a shit ton of overtime to do theoretically the exact same amount of work that two people working 40 hours could do just as well, if not better.

Everyone should strive to work as little as possible. This was the promise of the future that our ancestors broke their backs to provide for us, and these fucking corporate drones just can't help but maintain the status quo for internet clout.

sometimes the problem is finding competent people
there's stuff I can do in eight hours of OT that would take some of my peers the better part of a week
I used to bust my ass to do that stuff, back when I was fairly compensated for it. I'm not anymore, so I don't, and that stuff now doesn't get done on the schedule desired by people above. not my problem
I work 40hs per week and I have very little time to live... how do americans work 80hs?!! Are your days doubled? At what time you take a shower/eat/sleep?
- I've done 60+ hour weeks working mon-fri (with an hour of commute by car) and the answer to "how do you have time to do anything else" was "well you don't". I'm lucky that my girlfriend was at home doing all the cooking, washing, stuff like that so I could just come home, take a shower, eat and go to bed. Didn't get enough sleep ofc but you can handle that for some time without being all fucked up. Gets to you over time though.
- The story of early 21st century America was told from its bathrooms.
Most salaried positions don't get overtime and I think that's usually who is working these hours.
This is the common wisdom nearly everywhere I've worked, and doing overtime at all only happens when absolutely necessary.
The only people doing anything close to that were on call.

Working excessively is a source of purpose and validation for many people. It also serves as distraction from their own personal lives. Trouble is, for those of us who have a more relaxed attitude and know better, we're expected also be the same.

When one of my jobs didn't give raises one year we all decided to make our own raise...by coming in 30-60 minutes late, taking an extra 30-60 minute lunch, and leaving early.

I was still there another 1.5 years and nobody seemed to notice...so, yeah.

good for you guys. also damn that is some terrible management
- One of my jobs it was my first week in an office, which everyone knows means you got fuck all to do. After 7 hours there (2 of which were me fucking around on the computer pretending like I had stuff to do), after asking my manager what I should be working on multiple times, I finally said "well, if you have nothing for me, mind if I take off and we'll pick it up tomorrow?
  After three days of this he had a sit down talk with me that "people had noticed" me leaving and they had a strict 8 hours in office policy there. I was completely dumbfounded by this, that he himself had said I was cool to leave and had fully admitted there was nothing for me to do, but also proved he was not the least bit willing to confront his boss, even with something as small as "well he had nothing to do".
  Needless to say it did not work out, and I'm much happier at another company that treats me like a grown up

This is the behavior of so many Americans in corporate America, they are beyond saving. I just pretend to be like them to keep my job

They are getting paid a ton of overtime for working more than the max of 36 hours, right? Right?

40 hours is the normal expected work week in the US. But most states don't have overtime pay requirements until after 48 hours of labor in a single week. Some states require an unbroken 8 hour rest period inside each 24 hours but not much more than that.
- Ya'll need unions.

Bobby you fucking moron

not really, most people on the grind are working towards having f u money and early retirement

- thanks! i live an incredibly high quality life thanks to the system that exploits me, i literally live a better life than kings did 150 years ago
This guy is going to make a CEO so much money.
- You know you don't have to be a CEO to make so much money :)
"Fuck you money", like in the pilot episode of Billions? Do you think you'll be a billionaire too, like the insider trader from your TV show?
- every time I call you guys as dumb as trump voters I see comments like this and begin to think you're somehow even dumber.
Yeah, they are working towards it, but they are never going to get f u money that way.
These days your best shot at getting f u money is to be born into it or win the lottery.
- my grind wasn't for fu money, but early retirement / being comfortable with the mortgage
  separating from my partner ruined the early retirement plan, but at least I could keep the house and still afford a decent enough lifestyle without too much worry
  I knowingly traded an extra 10 hours a week for half a decade so I could be financially stable, and for most of that time, I enjoyed the work, so it was worth it. but I'm there now, and it's time to cut back. don't have fuck you money. don't have early retirement. but I'm stable and happy enough.