Should beehaw defederate from meta?
Should beehaw defederate from meta?
I think it should. Has it defederated and does it plan to?
doing some housekeeping this afternoon and yes we have already decided to do this. (if it hasn't been done yet it will shortly, but someone besides me is going to be doing it)
50I'm not normally a huge fan of defederation but in this case I very much support it. Fuck Meta and its services. They are one of the most actively malicious companies towards the health of the internet and its users that exists today. This was seen immediately with Threads' privacy policy the moment it was made available.
49Beehaw signed the fedipact. That makes defederation official.
48Even if it weren't for the privacy concerns, and Facebook's history, Threads has whitelisted LibsOfTiktok, so any reports against them are auto-rejected in a couple of minutes, which should mean instant defederation even for instances that were on the fence.
34Oh, gross, wtf. I knew they were on the platform, but I didn't know they were being protected like that.
10Do you have a source for that?
1Yeah. Everyone who’s reported them for hate speech having the report declined immediately with no time for a review.
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It's my understanding that we already decided not to federate with them?
That being said, I'm ethically opposed to supporting the corporate invasion of both FOSS and anti-corporate spaces.
With Meta, specifically, their MO with literally every tech space they've ever entered has been to EEE, and I think the "wait and see" approach to give them the benefit of the doubt that they won't do the same thing here is naivete at best and willful ignorance at worst.
26Exactly. "Wait and see" if they implement EEE in the Fediverse is naive because by the time we detect their actions, it will be too late to protect the Fediverse from its effects.
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Obviously, they have the same problem that other instances that have been defedded suffer from, they don't screen their users and they can't handle moderation. They won't invest in the necessary amount personnel to moderate and they won't moderate at a level that keeps out annoying trolls, scammers, and other nonsense.
22I am so opposed to being on an instance that is federated with Meta that I'd probably delete my account if that happened. Thankfully I understand that Beehaw has already made the decision not to federate with them.
19No corporation can ever be trusted, they exist to exploit you.
17*No corporation which is on the stock market
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Fuck meta, that company needs to get the corporate death penalty
13Antitrust divestiture?
3I'd prefer Facebook at least just be killed off entirely, not letting some equally shitty company run it. The world would probably be a better place without it.
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We tried with Metallica after they called all their customers thieves, and it didn't even work back then.
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Yes it already has
12Mixed feelings, federation has the potential to prevent a total walled garden around Threads. But also the sheer volume will overwhelm any small community
8I think walled gardens are inevitable, and desirable, and the walls have doors. I think we'll end up with a big mainstream garden/island of federation of U.S. pop culture w/ Threads and CNN and my mom. Other gardens/islands for things like child safe content, adult only content, servers that refuse to federate with for-profit servers (where I'll be), etc.
Also, I suspect it will (or already is) be common for people to have multiple accounts on different servers for different purposes. I find myself blocking all porn, not because I'm anti porn but it's just not what I'm looking for when I log in with this account. When I want porn, I'll make an account on the nsfw server just for that.
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If I wanted to be there, I would have signed up there.
7No, it should not. IMO, defederation is toxic for the fediverse. One of the major advantages of the fediverse is that you don't have a walled garden. Don't try to make one.
5One of the major features is defederation. While you don’t have to have a walled garden, your instance gets to choose who it joins to. And I’d rather not join to threads as we’ve seen what Mets does with open protocols.
21Defederation is not toxic, it's an essential tool. The ability to choose what kind of contents and account you can see is one of the best part of decentralised social networks.
13you should read this article on the subject, it’s actually super informative and interesting
10To me the most significant advantage of the fediverse is that it isn't run by sociopathic billionaires and I'd like a wall to protect me from them.
6One of the major advantages of user controlled communities is that your community can decide on what is allowed, like having rules about not tolerating intolerance. How is that toxic?
Also its pretty easy to join multiple instances and have a few accounts if you want.
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