Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy met with U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Tuesday to make a last-ditch plea to keep military support flowing as he battles Russia, but faced a skeptical reception from some Republicans.
I want to start paying for Ukrainian jobs and schools and renewable energy and hospitals and infrastructure. I want to see them rebuild into a first class developed country while their aggressors sink further into irrelevance
You should want that for your own country. Can you even name a place in Ukraine, without looking it up? Without mentioning a name already spoken of in the news?
You are welcome to your own point of view, but .. It's baffling.
You can be against an immediate global threat without being against better conditions for your country. One does not exclude the other. Nuance and priority.
Well, I've been to Donetsk and Mariupol a decade prior to the Putin's invasion (in 2014). Those two towns (less than a days drive part by slow Ukrainian bus, the latter on the coast) are now smoking craters thanks to shitbag loser Putin. All the cool people I met at the churches (now rubble) and the ones that went with us to see the Sea of Azov on a gray day including that dude showing off his Lada Niva.. are probably all dead now.
I've heard the same Putin song and dance already. I bet he'd love it we actually bought into this bullshit and cut funding to Ukraine. And his Trumper lackeys seem to be serving him well.
Before the war in Ukraine, the poor here were still poor, the homeless still unhoused, the hungry still aching. Americans were destitute before, they still are, and they will be after. Nobody with any amount of influence or power actually gives a fuck about the dregs. Stop acting like if it werent for this or that, just stop. Its disingenuous and would not be fixed either way. They want the threat of destitution, they want you to see these people and fear you will suffer like them so you go to work and make those shareholders money.
I would much rather pay for a missile that Ukraine fires against a Russian tank in Ukraine, than pay for a missile I have to fire against the Russian tank myself after it rolled through Ukraine and to my doorstep.
I would also much rather pay to educate the world (using Russia as an example) that the international community isn't putting up with wars of aggression and won't let you get away with them, than have the world thrown into disarray when the next country decides to disrupt global supply chains with their war of aggression.
Supporting Ukraine is a smart thing regardless of what you think of Ukraine. It's also the morally right thing, but if you don't care about that, egoism should drive you to the same decision.
How about we do both? Continue to fund Ukraine in order to provide a stopgap against Russian encroachment and destabilization of Eastern Europe, as well as take care of people in America? It wouldn't even be that hard.
Tax the rich so they pay their fair share. Use that money to fund social programs and boost the economy for the middle class and lower. Tax businesses to the point where it's more lucrative to reinvest in their own companies than it is to make massive profits - this promotes raising wages. Cap executive pay to a fixed rate above the lowest-paid employee. Just like that, the 'richest country in the world' can act like it and not relegate their poorest to third-world conditions.
But you weren't interested in a real answer, were you? Just shilling for the alt-right and Russia.
Are you so fucking ignorant that you can’t name Kyiv or Sevastopol or Odessa?!? Do you really not understand the significance of these cities? Or Lviv? Chernobyl? Chernivtsi?
Honest question from someone who wants to see Ukraine not be overrun by orcs: Why is the US always the one who has to fund wars? There are some countries in the EU that have given a bit of suport, but the guys who are across the ocean seem to be the ones everyone looks to for money. Aren't you clever enlightened boys and girls from the European Union able to take care of this?
Every single time there is some conflict the idiots in charge here have to get big hard-ons and start getting involved. And we are told to stay out of it. But now Ukraine needs money and for some reason everyone focuses on the US providing it. Same with Israel, why are we the ones who have to prop them up?
I'd really like to know. Everyone hates the US until they want money or weapons. We aren't the ones next door to russia, the EU is. And we aren't anywhere near the middle east, so why are we wasting so much money on israel?
Treaties aside, my issue is that it's always the US that everyone begs money from in these situations. We get shit on constantly for a bunch of reasons, some valid, but when someone comes along and starts making threats the question is always "What will the US do about this?"
I have to think our government in the US sees all kinds of strategic, political, and intelligence benefits from having our military spread all over the world. And our money too.
Plus the concept of proxy wars to hurt our enemies without putting ourselves in the line of fire and/or ending the human race.
Regardless of the EU support not being what it should be, it is in the best interest of the USA to support Ukraine. Russia is a systemic rival and will not stop its aggressive expansion into other countries if they are not stopped in Ukraine. Slightly cynical, but even if Russia wins in the end, dragging this war out by supplying Ukraine also weakens Russia more than the current support weakens the USA.
This is why we've got such a large defense budget. Our military strength isn't just to protect ourselves, it's so we can also project our influence around the world. It's like if your neighbor has a bunch of guns, and you hear zombies are headed towards you. If there was ever a time their ridiculous spending had a use, it was now.
I do think though European countries should contribute more. They benefit immensely from American influence around the world, don't pay a dime towards it, and then criticize the US for spending so much on defense.
As a Euro, I am qualified to speak for all of Europe on this. TLDR; Decades of poor preparation.
Macron did talk recently about the USA reliance, which I'm sure a search would turn up. Unfortunately it isn't a quick thing to solve, so here we are.
I wish we could provide a fraction of what the USA does.
It is the situation we find ourselves in when none of our countries are investing in the military to any significant levels. Other countries are investing what they can afford, but have no where near the GDP of the USA. I remember Poland provided all they could, but had to say that's all we can do because we have to think about ourselves in case we are next.
I also think that you make most of the weapons in your country, so you are best placed to help.
Long term, I expect the EU to learn nothing from this and the next time someone starts a war it will be the same situation.
Please don't resent us for the situation, because we don't like it either.
What everyone else has said. To add on to that, we also update our own military by sending our oldest or outdated equipment. A big reason is that it's still way better stuff than what Russia has. Russia did the opposite but believed they had up to date equipment, they are paying the price for their corruption.
The thing is, the US is just so fucking big and it also has the biggest military industrial complex by far, so who else should do it? Proportional to GDP, it's not that much.
Also, in the past, other nations have contributed to America's wars. Japan paid 10 billion USD to the US for the Gulf War in 1991, which I think was around 20% of the total cost.
I didn't say we are the only ones, i said we are alwsys expected to throw money and equipment at any of the EU's little scares, while being shit on the rest of the time.
WASHINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy met with U.S. lawmakers on Capitol Hill on Tuesday to make a last-ditch plea to keep military support flowing as he battles Russia, but faced a skeptical reception from some Republicans.
Heading into winter, with tens of thousands of Ukrainians dead, a yawning budget deficit and Russian advances in the east, Zelenskiy is asking Washington to provide badly needed support.
Wearing a black shirt and olive drab trousers, Zelenskiy was met with sustained applause as he entered a closed-door meeting with U.S. senators, and the chamber's Democratic and Republican leaders pledged their support.
There are just three days before Congress recesses for the year on Friday, and Republicans in the House have until now refused to pass a spending package bill that contains $61.4 billion in Ukraine aid without fiercely disputed changes to U.S. immigration.
Democratic Senator Chris Murphy, who is leading the talks, said he thought lawmakers could reach an immigration deal and pass the spending package before the end of the year.
Ultimately, U.S. troops could be forced to fight Russia, Biden and others warn, if an unchecked Putin invades a European ally covered by NATO's mutual defense commitments.
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