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Mass shooting in the center of Prague: 15 deaths confirmed

www.telegraph.co.uk Prague shooting latest: Prague university shooter killed father before gunning down 15

A student killed his father before gunning down at least 15 others at a Prague university, Czech authorities said, adding the gunman had also been “eliminated”.

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It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.

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- Switzerland does well with guns.
  
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  In Switzerland, everyone is trained to use guns
  
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  Switzerland also has heavily regulated ammunition. You can't just go to the store and buy some bullets, like in Czechia
  
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  Very true
  
  Swiss:
  
  27.6 guns per 100 residents
  
  vs Czech:
  
  12.5 per 100 residents
  
  source
  
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  The country it basically a fortress
  
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- I bet those dead university students enjoyed all that constitutional freedom.
  
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I would like to hear about the killers psychology and motivation (don't care about the fuckers name) and what is being done to prevent such motivation from manifesting again.

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- We don't often talk about this in the limelight, but it's important. We need to understand how they got here if we want to have any hope of reducing the odds of that happening again.
  
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  My guess he'd just copying stuff he saw on TV. We copied many other things from US culture like Halloween and bad food, now time for mass shootings.
  
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- That takes time to find out, give it a few days.
  
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From the article:

Czech media reported that Kozak authored social media posts in which he indulged in fantasies of suicide and mass murders in the days before the attacks.

I don't want to ruin internet privacy, but who has ideas on how to handle this better? I feel like if someone's posting "I wanna do a mass shooting" something should happen. I don't want the state or private enterprise to be able to abuse that, though.

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  I have long thought that the police as an institution in the US is, shall we say, not good.
  
  One time I was walking home from the grocery and I saw a couple having a screaming fight on the street. The guy had taken the woman's phone from her and was holding it up out of her reach. I thought to myself, "Someone should probably do something.. but who? And what?"
  
  If I had called the police, it's incredibly unlikely it would have gone well. The people fighting weren't white, for one thing. The cops would probably roll up, throw their authority around, and get violent. Possibly murder the guy. Not what you want. Even if they didn't do violence immediately, subjecting that guy to the criminal justice system is not what you want, either.
  
  In my imagination there should be a department of deescalation specialists. No guns. No arrest powers. Maybe some snacks.
  
  But yeah, policing in the US is a tragedy at pretty much every level.
  
  Back on topic, responsibility could maybe fall onto the platform. There are suicide prevention services. Maybe there could be mass shooting prevention services.
  
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  Some of the earliest modern police forces in the US were slave patrols in the south. In the north, Boston was the first city to have a modern professional force. It grew out of a system where private companies were hiring their own security to protect their cargo in the Boston port, and offloaded that cost onto the public.
  
  Professional, publicly funded policing in the US has long been there to protect the interests of the powerful.
  
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- The solution is to remove access to firearms capable of rapid rates of fire from the general public.
  
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  That would help with mass shootings, very likely, yes. I feel like there's also things we (or various platforms) could do to address the parent category of mass murder
  
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  If this was sort of generalized, we sell bumper stickers like that. There's a post on active with one.
  
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- probably, this is a price for freedom
  
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  You can't have absolute freedom in a civilized society. That idea is also self-contradictory when your freedom causes others to lose theirs.
  
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  "Foree-dumb"
  
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Coward...

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America continues to be global leader in exporting culture

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- Love the innovation! It's not easy making everything about America, but by god people always find a way!
  
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  tbh america and domestic mass shootings are pretty much synonymous at this point. this time (this one rare time) an immediate association with the us seems appropriate.
  
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This is one of the scariest pictures I've seen in my life

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- ~~I believe that's a cop pictured in the thumbnail~~
  
  Edit: I'm wrong! I misread
  
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  Read the article, it’s not
  
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- A blurry picture of a man with a gun? Ooh spoOOOOooky.
  
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  The blurrier the scarier
  
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My condolences to the families.

Hope they'll figure out how to never make it happen again.

And yes, for God's sake, ban firearms.

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Doc ock?

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Lots of talk about them allowing guns, as if that's what caused this, but let's look at the big picture..

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- Countries that allow guns have massively more gun deaths, that shouldn't be surprising
  
  Edit: it's worth noting that the US has had more mass shootings this year than the entire history of Europe apparently, according to that list.
  
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  According to that list? Mass shootings in Europe are extremely rare.
  
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  Absolutely. I just think that it's silly to draw attention to guns being easily attainable in this context, when there have been so many more mass shootings in other European countries.
  
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  Guns don't kill people
  
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- The timeline for the shootings seems like it's that economic fuckery and downturns precede upticks in shootings. It is very alarming that there has been three of them this year.
  
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  Four. The "Serbia" entry is two shootings.
  
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- Just quit your bullshit.
  
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  Which bullshit? Trying to have a discussion?
  
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But wait, I thought guns were illegal there...

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- It's legal for the public to own guns in Czech Republic
  
  If you're going to try to start a anti gun control circlejerk - try not to do it under an article about a mass shooting, dipshit.
  
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  That this is an outlier for the Czech Republic does rather point to the fact that the American domestic terrorists are primarily a cultural problem.
  
  And we do love exporting our culture.
  
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- There's one every few years in almost every country.
  
  The difference is it's not a mass shooting per week... This doesn't help your argument as much as you think it does.
  
  Edit: also the joke is most developed countries are allowed to own guns to some extent, a total ban is only what your side tells you to keep your support.
  
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  You mean per day.
  
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- Damn dude, literally couldn't google what the gun laws in Czech Republic are.
  
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- Well that’s why it’s actually news worthy… in the US it would just be another normal day.
  
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- Czechia has quite permissive gun laws iirc
  
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  You could say liberal gun laws but that would have confused them so I thank you for your word choice
  
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  Probably not for long.
  
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- Here's your spoonfed quote literally pulled from the article to go with your dipshit comment.
  
  Czech Republic has some of the most liberal gun laws in Europe. There are more than 800,000 firearms of all categories registered among 300,000 gun permit holders in the country, which has a population of about 10.5 million people, writes Ella Nunn.
  
  It is one of the only nations in the world - and the only one in Europe - that provides the constitutional right to bear arms.
  
  Concealed-carry permits for self-defence can be obtained by Czech citizens without presenting specific reasons and recreational shooting is one of the most popular sports in the country.
  
  I'm sure if you had the patience, literacy, and weren't currently struggling with your mental capacity to make it this far down my comment to read this much, you'd probably feel a bit like an asshole to try to make this nightmarish story into your opportunity to talk about needing more guns on the street. Alas, I'm currently speaking into the void cuz your head is likely still buried just far enough up your own ass for you to enjoy the smell of your own farts while searching for your next astounding comment. The people you hear crying aren't the ones you triggered with your unhinged comment, it's the sound of everyone who cares about you. We're all really concerned about you and are worried you'd suffocate were it not for how much you laugh at your own heartless comments.
  
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- I don't know why you thought that. They're not.
  
  Gun laws in the Czech Republic in many respects differ from those in other European Union member states. The "right to acquire, keep and bear firearms" is explicitly recognized in the first Article of the Firearms Act. At the constitutional level, the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms includes the "right to defend one's own life or life of another person also with arms under conditions stipulated by law".
  
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- Why did you think that?
  
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- https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting we've had 23 mass shootings in the US in December alone.
  
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  I really wish we could get actual apples to apples "mass shooting" comparisons. Everything from the site you linked to Wikipedia has been restructured to help make the argument that the US has tons of "mass shootings."
  
  Take this entry near me from that list you linked https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/12/04/cleveland-police-more-than-dozen-people-shot-several-stabbed-over-weekend/
  
  The 4 people shot, there's no context as to whether that was random, gang violence, stray bullets in a conflict, etc. This sort of thing almost definitely happens outside of the US, e.g., https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisakim/2021/10/22/swedens-brutal-gang-problem-heres-what-officials-blame-it-on/?sh=6bb1d29fa281
  
  In this particular case it's something that happened at 3 in the morning outside of a bar... Gang or not it was probably more drunken brawl where someone pulled a gun and things went bad fast.
  
  That's pretty different from some person going to a university, a school, a public event, and unloading on anyone they see with intent to inflict as many casualties as possible on someone that they've never even spoken a word to ... which is what I remember a "mass shooting" meaning up until recently. And that shit doesn't happen 23 times in a single month. It happens a few times a year which given the size of the US is much more comparable (granted I think still elevated) when compared to European mass shootings.
  
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- Another uneducated American haha.
  
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