Obama urged Biden to beef up campaign amid worries about Trump strength in polls: report

You should listen to your friend Barry, he’s really good at running campaigns

I get it. He’s old, he’s on the “wrong side” of Israel/Palestine, etc. Doesn’t fucking matter. It’s a binary choice, you got Brandon or you got trump. And if you can’t accept that stark reality, you’re probably too stupid to impose your opinion on others.

There are so many MAGAtrumpers here with the “gEnOciDE jOe” nonsense that are seemingly unaware that their believed king will do the exact same thing, only with him- they get a side-order of bigotry, racism, oppression, tyranny, and cowardice.

I hope you will all be happy with your lateral move on this single-issue decision. Because YOU will be who gets the blame when Trump wins the throne.

Yup. Trump is polling way too well for anyone to treat this as a typical election where common sense wins the day.

Many voting blocs apparently can no longer see the plain, stupifyingly obvious lies, fascism and narcissism dripping from every speech he has given for the last 8 years. We're slow-walking to the end of American democracy.

This election year will be exhausting for us all, but if there's ever a time to put everything into it, it's now and it's this election.

I'm voting Biden, but again, we are here because Biden is fucking old. The Democrats should have made an effort to bring in new candidates. The only reason to keep Biden in place is to keep Trump off. But also the wars happening now are all from Biden's generation. So maybe it's fine, he should fix those things.

Relying on the anti-Trump vote is pretty ineffectual with an anti-Biden vote growing.

Maybe fucking lock him behind bars next time. You know, he commited an insurrection or something.

Oh, I forgot, he has rich friends so its impossible. Rule of law my ass.

The two main alternatives to not elect Trump are:

• The one, single man who is the current President of The United States Of America, can change what he's doing on a number of subjects, including his active continued material support for the Israeli Genocide, to get the votes.
• Millions of people can go against their principles and vote for that man so that Trump doesn't win.

Logically it would be much easier to achieve the objective of Trump not getting elected by the solution of that one, single man to change how he acts as President of The United States Of America, than by the solution of the millions of people turned of by the actions of that man as POTUS to ignore their Principles and vote for that man.

Surelly if the people loudly demanding that others ignore their Principles and vote for Biden so that Trump doesn't win had indeed only "make sure Trump isn't elected" as the purest of motivations and were not at all driven by tribalism, they would be concentrating their pressure not on the millions it takes to convince to win the vote via that solution but on that, one, single man, who persists in acting in a way that turns millions off from voting for him.

For an outsider like me, the persitence on the "lets convince millions" option instead of "lets loudly demonstrate on the streets against Biden until he acts differently" looks like pure mindless tribalism of "The Chief is always right and even if he isn't he's our Chief so we'll stand by him" kind. (Totally valid. Just don't be a hypocrite and claim it's about making sure Trump doesn't win, as that objective can way, WAY, WAY more easilly be achieved by your Chief starting to trully listen to those whose votes he wants).

I think for someone as advanced in age and tired as Biden is, he needs a truly inspiring VP candidate. He stepped up when we needed him and beat Trump, but Biden also needed to be a one term president as a stopgap for the next generation, but like every other Democrat politician, he's hanging on too long, and we'll pay the price.

I get they tried this with Kamala Harris, to some extent, but she has squandered the opportunity. I'd consider myself fairly well informed, above average for sure, and I'd struggle to name 5 things she's done in the last 3 years.

Obama to Biden: "There's room on the right."

The Democrats honestly brought this on themselves.

Bernie Sanders was by far the most popular candidate in 2016, but Hillary ultimately won the nomination purely on superdelegates because the system is crooked and apparently the Clinton dynasty had to continue. It's a substantially different world, and the Clintons have heavily fallen out of public favour, which is why Hillary failed to get elected.

Sanders had another chance in 2020, this time the party members threw Bernie under the bus and chose to counter one senile fossil with another.

Yes Bernie Sanders would've been the oldest candidate, but Biden hasn't exactly aged gracefully and seems to be even more forgetful than Trump.

I don't think Biden has a chance of winning this year's election unless by some landmark supreme court miracle, Trump is struck off from the ballot and the Republican Party is forced to hastily select another candidate. Even then I think someone like Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Ron DeSantis or Rick Santorum would thrash Biden in the polls.

And if Trump wins, I fear the Fascist takeover that will follow.

To "Keep Trump out" there are only two realistic options: either one single person, Joe Biden, changes his actions as POTUS (starting with his continued material support for the Genocide in Palestine) or millions of Americans have to go against their principles and vote for him.

It seems to me that if the members of the Democrat-tribe doing the rounds telling people they "should vote for Biden otherwise Trump wins" genuinelly wanted to "Keep Trump out" they would instead be pressing hard for that one, single man to start listenning to voters and act differently, rather than go for the much, much harder option of getting millions of Americans to swallow their principles so that this one single man can keep on acting the same way he does now.

Seems to me that keeping Trump out is secondary to Biden not having to listen to voters and continue to act freely as he feels like, even if that's so against the wishes of millions of Americans that previously voted for him that they even find those actions unprincipled and repugnant.

Running Biden is the best thing democrats can do to guarantee a Trump presidency.

Meta: Is this community for US specific news or just any news?

Lol

Defeat #genocidejoe

Maybe stop supporting a genocide. And maybe campaign on actual issues instead of on ‘Trump is literally Hitler’, it falls a little flat after the entire Trump Russia thing turned out to be bs.

(Not saying Trump is the better choice, but I can imagine why people are hesitant to go to the polls for Biden)

Edit for more visibility:

Mueller Report, vol. I, p. 173: "Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."

Hillary Clinton hired Christopher Steele to do oppo research against Trump, this became known as the Steele Dossier and contained a number of accusations on Trump. After the election the FBI started a serious investigation on if these accusations were true, and after two years the Mueller Report concluded that none of the serious allegations against Trump could be verified. This is why the Democrats (who had a majority in the house at that time) decided not to impeach, there was nothing there.

(As mentioned below of course Trump got impeached but not on the Mueller Report or the Steele Dossier, but rather on trying to pressure Ukraine and jan 6)

And of course Russia did try to influence the election, but this does not mean Trump was complicit, and no proof of this was found.

Hence Trump Russia is BS.

To add to this notably during the 2018 midterms nobody campaigned on Russia gate because it was a loosing issue at this point.

So that’s why I think it is smarter and more productive to campaign on actual issues like abortion, climate change, and health care, not on Russia Gate 2.0. Or they will ensure a second Trump term.

Final edit:

1. Bidens current strategy clearly doesn’t work, otherwise the polls would be different.

2. The Mueller Report clearly states no evidence of collusion found (after two years of intensive investigation).

You can downvote all you want but that doesn’t change the facts.

When the plan is to lose, you gotta make it look credible to maintain the theatre.

I will vote for Biden if he ends his support for genocide. That's it. That's all I need to vote for him. I just want that one thing, even after he let me down by breaking the rail strike and continuing brutal anti-immigration and doing nothing abiut over policing and expanding American oil and stopping peace negotiations in Ukraine.

Just this one thing.

If that's too much to ask, he won't get my vote.