Pretty sure all the piracy communities I've seen have rules about not directly linking to any infringing content. Mainly its piracy discussions.

Here is a whole ass post from the admin of this instance about not directly linking: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/18438

This post is linked under the main rules of this community, Rule 3. Don't request of link to specific pirated titles.

Meaning this is a joke of a line of reasoning, you're not "protecting" anyone by limiting discussion.

Yeah, these are not company run sites with monetization plans. People saying they'll show them by leaving is funny, since these instances cost money as opposed to making money so I don't think they'll be sad about less overhead. People here aren't paying customers but guests being invited to use another person's instance over self hosting their own.

If people want uninterrupted access to this instance they can sign up to this instance, self host, or look for instances located in a country with less strict laws that might lower chances of defederation from here?

Yup, they're a big target and being a big target means more liability. Spreading the fediverse is good for us all. It means taking down piracy is like whack a mole.

This needs to be said more. They did their best.

Yeah, I'm not sure why some people assume it's a problem. I've had a few accounts now. I went kbin to Beehaw (liked Lemmy more overall) to LemmyWorld to Lemmee (initially as an alt). Now Lemmee is the main. And if that goes sideways, well, I've got at least 3 other instances I've got my eye on as potentials. That's the beauty of the Fediverse.

It honestly makes a lot of sense to keep illegal content that's the source of frequent legal actions away from the largest general purpose communities. As you correctly point out it is extremely easy to join another instance where these discussions are allowed, and the larger instances have every reason to have a "better safe than sorry" approach to content moderation.

It seems to me the Threadiverse is too negative of the concept of defederation. It's a key concept of how the Fediverse works, and is supposed to work. The people on Lemmygrad is looking for a completely different experience from the folks over at Beehaw, so let them have it. Lemmy.world has become the largest instance, so naturally they need to have an approach to content moderation that is unlikely to land them in legal trouble. And even if they didn't, they'd be welcome to block discussions of piracy out of moral conviction or any other reason, just as their users are welcome to sign up somewhere else if they are looking for a different experience.

There was drama about defederation on Mastodon in the beginning as well, but I guess people coming from Twitter had an easier time intuitively understanding the appeal of it.

The beauty of all of this is that I can just switch to an instance that doesn't defederate or is very prone to not do so. So far kbin has been very good and doesn't defederate much, which is awesome

Would be nice if there was a way or an app that ties together all those individual accounts into a single view.

Absurd. None of these communities are even hosted on lemmy.world.

This is the answer, period. They aren't hosting infringing content, they're barely even linking to discussion of it. Most of the piracy communities here on Lemmy all have rules about not directly linking to any infringing content.

It's a fucking joke by people who think they're doing something to protect their users but are actually just fucking around wasting time and energy.

Difference is you can choose not to be part of the instance

Is that really the case though? They are saying they didn't want to risk legal troubles which sounds reasonable to me considering they're just your average people with a hobby.

Not every instance is good for every user or community. The Piracy communities have long been some of the biggest communities on here, however it's absolutely within the rights of the world admins to decide they don't want to support them? If you object, you don't need to throw a fuss about it. Just move yourself or your communities to an instance that's online with your viewpoints.

The difference is that now you have the option to go to another instance and still access the same content. It's not ideal but much better than yhe community being permanently gone.

Just use an instance that isn't lemmy.world. that's the benefit of decentralization.

Besides, that server feels way too much like reddit, and not in a good way.

To be blunt, lemmy.world has always seemed to emulate reddit too much for my comfort, even in vetting registrations. 9/10 of the bad enlightened centrist takes I've seen here have come from lemmy.world users who are clearly reddit transplants.

How can they even serve ads if you dont use their website? Wouldnt other websites and apps need to implement ads for it to work?

How do they expect to serve ads to people with that abysmal uptime that they have. They literally go down every single day, and that's probably just from one person from hexbear who's pissed at them, imagine how bad it's going to be after this, or if they even started running ads.

If they actually are planning on running ads I don't foresee it going very well for them. Maybe it will maybe they'll be financially successful but I bet they're probably also going to get defederated and therefore not platform successful.

They’re cryptofascists. Probably have had db0 in their crosshairs since forever.

Because the content their users subscribe to gets copied to the lemmy.world servers. At this moment they host these posts.

Are the admins of lemmy.world somehow responsible for what their members do, even if it´s not on their own instance?

They are not responsible for what their users do, but for what is saved on their instance. And by any lemmy.world user interacting with content from a different instance, their lemmy.world will host a copy of that content. That's how lemmy works.

So if a lemmy.world user subscribes to a pirate sub, that whole subs content is now mirrored on lemmy.world.

Not just related to piracy that's a huge liability issue for admins.

The funniest thing is that even Reddit allows r/piracy

What is it they should ask?
"Should we stay federated with a community that has the very real potential of producing content that is illegal for us to share and in turn risk getting sued?
[ ] Risk your livelihood so we can continue accessing the content
[ ] Be lame and preemtively defederate"

I already made an account here, I honestly can't count on lemmy.world to not defederate or block random communities. Even if they take back that decision I still don't have as much trust in them as I once did.

It's not useless - they're not trying to keep you from coming here, they're trying to avoid liability for themselves.

You have to remember that these are people that left Reddit, which was notorious for a self reinforcing echo chamber they are about to be rudely awakened by the harsh reality of freedom of speech. People are either going to buy their bullshit or leave no amount of whining about it. On our end. It is really gonna fix it.

Federation more or less means the info is copied, so from a dcma standpoint the instance is still liable. If content is deleted from the main instance, it doesn't always delet from a federated one.

This would de different if you could proxy instead of copy the data on federation.