1 yr. ago • 98%

The wise

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I mean, generally speaking, sending pikemen against a people famous for riding horses sounds smart to me lol

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- Yeah, I don't understand why people are confused by this. Haha
  
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It is said he rejected reason for madness.

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He had sappers. And yeah Pike beats horse.

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- Ladders too.
  
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  I'd hate to climb a ladder with a pike
  
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- Except when there's light in the pikemen's eyes apparently
  
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  "Captain Ugnark, should we be worried about leaving our rear open to a cavalry charge?"
  
  "Gobruk, you fool! That's a 60-degree slope, there's no way that horses could safely charge down it."
  
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- This is AoE 101
  
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meanwhile Gandalf makes a cavalry charge down a waaaaaay too steep hill towards the aforementioned pikemen

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- but he had the power of "making it really bright" on his side, and we all know that this is the achilles heel of all pikemen everywhere!
  
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  Aren't Uruk Hai really sensible to light? So the riders had vision, the high ground, morale and momentum on their side.
  
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  obviously Saruman the 4D-chess-mover predicted that Gandalf would flank them with cavalry and that's why he brought pikemen to a siege
  
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- We need to resist the hegemony of the wizards, these guys clearly have no business making decisions for the rest of Middle-earth
  
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- Shit worked, didnt it?
  
  Wizard apparently knows a thing or two.
  
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  It makes sense narratively and tactically that he timed his charge with the sun creeping over the hill so that the orcs were blinded by it though.
  
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The Battle of Helm's Deep is full of very obvious errors. There is an awesome Dutch historian, Roel Konijnendijk, who trashes movies for fun that talks about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGdOXstSyk

My favourite one is when they are shouting orders to eachother. There is no way for the Elven archers to hear Aragorn's commands, or for Aragorn to hear Theoden's fallback order.

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- Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=xPGdOXstSyk
  
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  Um, piped stopped working for me on all instances a few days ago, anybody else noticed this?
  
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- I thought Legolas had a superior hearing, didnt he ? If yes, the elves could have heard Aragorn.
  
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Me and a friend discussed this and it led to an ongoing joke of pole vaulting pikemen.

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Wise. A wizard.

Not exactly a very experienced war lord

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More like Saruman the fool

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Every Total War Player knows how this feels "let's take this city real qui... Wait?! Who the fuck put the pikes into this army?!"

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Wise once there is a breach. which is what they planned for.

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Here's an eight part series by a historian on which parts of the battle are realistic within the world and which are not, in case that kind of thing is interesting to you:

https://acoup.blog/2020/05/01/collections-the-battle-of-helms-deep-part-i-bargaining-for-goods-at-helms-gate/

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- I’ve already read it before, but it’s so so good.
  
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Maybe the walls finished constructing while he was sending his troops across the map. Happens to the best of us.

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- Forgot to build that siege workshop and just decided to send it
  
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- They said the keep had held for 800 years...
  
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  That's like 5-10 turns tops in the early game!
  
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Pikes beat horse dudes, Rohan has horse dudes. Unbeatable logic. Dev did not code for horse dudes having different armour off horse.

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Walled shelter

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Lol

:P

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