LGBTQ+ parents are being removed from their children’s birth certificates in Italy
LGBTQ+ parents are being removed from their children’s birth certificates in Italy
The Prosecutor’s Office of Padova (Italy) has asked a local court to remove any same-sex non-biological parent on birth certificates, denying same-sex families the right to State recognition.
Fascist governments got to fascist.
Targeting the LGBTQ+ population and eroding their rights and making it a focus during a time of an international cost of living crisis, is a tried and true practice of the right wing to hide their incompetence in governing and in matters of economy.
201Here's this thing that doesn't affect me at all in any way but I kinda think is weird, so let me crush the spirit of a minority that already gets treated like shit?
Man some people suck so much.
101It's all political, for all their talk about the traditional family, Meloni had a child outside of marriage, and Salvini is divorced.
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I still can’t believe that Meloni got elected. Watching the far right rise all over Europe has been disturbing.
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28If it's true that people vote for right wings out of frustration then the tables will turn again at some point because fundamentally most of the voting population have problems with unaffordable housing, low wages, poor healthcare, etc. and these problems are unlikely to be solved by a populist government.
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Oh I can definitely believe that. Most Italians are very gullible and populism sounds way better than ideas grounded in reality. Not to mention her opponents all sucked and would rather split up in hundreds of parties rather than actually form a coalition and have a chance at winning.
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That's disgusting.
71and then people ask me, an Italian, why I want to leave this country asap
64Unfortunately, the places where you can go are an ever-decreasing list. Some Nordic countries, a few EU ones, that's about it. Fascism is growing into a majority in literally the rest of the world.
41I also have a Swedish citizenship so I always thought of going there but now they also have a right government. the list is getting thinner. Also my job doesn't have that many good places I can ask a transfer too. too bad.
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The way italy is going, they're trying to be mussolini all over again.
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It's almost as if the stated goal of dividing the LGB and the TQ so that it's easier to go after the LGBTQ is going off exactly like they planned.... :/
57Gods, Marriage equality was one of rhe biggest hurdles in Trans activism back in the day and one of the reasons for the banding together of the T and the LGB. It really is like watching progress undo in reverse chronological order.
History facr. Back in the before days you couldn't change your gender designation on your legal documents because people were worried that gay and lesbian people would use transitioning as a way to get around the marriage ban which was the major hangup. Same sex marriage thus made it possible for trans people to socially transition from a legal standpoint.
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Any historians care to explain why Italy jumps to fascism so quickly?
47Not a historian, nor Italian, so double check me on this, but a big part of the "why" is that the facists were never removed from Italy. They've just been kind of allowed to fester since 1946. I mean, Germany didn't really get rid of their facists either, but the Italian facist movement was basically unscathed. Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI) was founded in 1946 by Facists literally from Mussolini's party, and maintained relevance by making political alliances with other, more moderate conservative parties.
Some facists just straight up joined the Liberal parties. Fernando Tambroni, Christian Democratic Prime Minister of Italy for 116 days in 1960, for instance, was a Facist Party member during the war, and was quite the fan of Mussolini. The subsequent Prime Minister, Christian Democrat Party leader, Amintore Fanfani, who served five non-consecutive terms as PM, was also a member of the Facist Party.
In the 90s other facist parties, particularly Forza Italia, and Alleanza Nazionale were spun off from MSI and basically wore a better better mask, and managed to get Berlusconi, also a Mussolini Stan, in as PM.
We could continue doing pointing out facists in powerful positions in Italian politics, and we skipped the whole "decades of facist terrorism" thing, but really the reason Italy jumped to fascism is because it has been there the whole time, and has had power semi-regularly.
23How come most Italian names sound badass?
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Italy had a strong communist presence since forever, after WWI fascism was supported by the elite to counter that, and after WWII it was supported by the "liberators", the US, for obvious reasons.
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As an Italian, it's a cheap promise for politicians and it boosts consensus in a mainly conservative/catholic country. Removing minority rights doesn't cost anything in terms of money expenditure, which (unfortunately) is the only thing Europe is concerned of about what our government does. They are now attacking "alias careers" in education, and more to come.
39How many world war losses before Italy cuts its ties with facism, I wonder.
22Oh I live here, they won't. One of the most mamma's boy's type of culture, and I'm southern European too....
Here you still have shit like(specially in the small cities). If you are gay, you find yourself a wife and have a bunch of kids to hide it. I only know this because the parents of some friends that used to be REALLY close did it.
Dude that family is one of the most toxic shits I've seen regarding lying and bottling it all up inside. I could swear my friend is gay too, or at least like one guy mb a year ago....he won't ever come out until his parents and probably brothers die....
Shitty shitty facist exist and are made by this fucked up childhood and life.
Side note: They are cowards so wars won't kill them, they are the ones in fetal position refusing to move and crying if they where anywhere close to the front lines. Their cowardly manners will cost a lot to the ones that surround them. That I can tell you after spending a lot of time with them(more then I should have)
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Maybe I’m against the grain here but shouldn’t biological parents be on the birth certificate?
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58If they cared about that, they would make a law that forces all newborns and their 'parents' to submit to a DNA test before issuing a certificate. This is just being done to make it harder for LGBTQ+ parents to have the same rights and responsibilities as straight parents. Not being named on your kid's birth certificate makes things so much harder when dealing with government programs and even enrolling in school or taking them to the doctor.
46I imagine you think this because of medical things (heredity and all that) AFAIK It isn't used for such things, only for legal responsibility (adoption for instance would modify it), so in order to protect the position of those who actually raise the kid and the stability of their family, I don't agree with you. Not without changing the role of the birth certificate first at least
44Mine does not, it shows my parents who have legal custody over me, they are not lgbtq+. That is what a birth cert shows, the people who have legal custody and responsibility for you.
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Looks like the motherland of fascism is moving back in time...
Not surprised with the new government.
34This is horrifying.
God's, I hate fascism.
25I had such a raw disgust reading that headline. I wondered what fucking state would do that. Then I got to the end. So Italy is just speed running to open fascism. That sucks.
22It's gonna get worse and they're gonna do more in other countries too, especially as climate change kicks in, everyone starves and they need someone to blame.
19Fascism moment
13If they want the biological parents names, just do a DNA test on every baby. I am sure the upstanding straight citizens of Italy always know who the actual father is in every case and would be willing to submit that to public record.
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10That's fucking terrible
10This is horrible. :(
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-10Sounds like it's the law that's wrong, and the office and court are doing their jobs. This is on the lawmakers, and these guys aren't supposed to make their own laws.
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