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Trump is disqualified from Illinois ballot, judge rules

https:// www.reuters.com /world/us/trump-is-disqualified-illinois-ballot-judge-rules-2024-02-29/

An Illinois state judge on Wednesday barred Donald Trump from appearing on the Illinois' Republican presidential primary ballot because of his role in the attack at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but she delayed her ruling from taking effect in light of an expected appeal by the former U.S president.

Illinois @midwest.social Trump is disqualified from Illinois ballot, judge rules

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Illinois hates Florida nazis.

https://youtu.be/z75DN5r_6H4

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- I didn't even need to click on this. :)
  
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- pause at 27 seconds and you'll see DeSantis's uncle/bro/cousin behind the main guy
  
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This doesn't even matter. Unless he's barred from the general election ballot, he's already won the GOP primaries. Haley just won't cave until she's forced to.

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- Please read the article, it's for both the primary and general.
  
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  Still doesn't matter, Illinois is pretty solidly blue so a Republican wouldn't win those electoral votes in the general either way
  
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- Haley just won’t cave until she’s forced to.
  
  Haley is clearly staying in for the likely reality that Trump is found guilty and the small chance that the Republican party chooses not to have a convicted federal criminal as their candidate. She knows based on the numbers she has no shot, but she's angling to stay in so she can swoop in when Trump is disqualified.
  
  How likely that is to happen to up to interpretation, but it's pretty clear at this point that's Haley's game plan.
  
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  Haley is clearly staying in for the likely reality that Trump is found guilty and the small chance that the Republican party chooses not to have a convicted federal criminal as their candidate
  
  And because Trump is old and unhealthy and could pass away
  
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  Also possibilities: -Trump passes away -Trump leaves the country -Trump runs but loses, and Haley gets "told you so" status as the GOP likely tosses Trump under the bus for delivering so many consecutive losses (2018, his own in 2020, and to some extent the weak 2022 performance can be attributed to his election denial and the party rallying behind that). If the GOP loses in 2024, then I could easily see the party decide they must go 'beyond Trump', and politicians that consistently looked 'anti-Trump' may be in a strong position in that scenario.
  
  Seeing as she is in her early 50s, which is downright an infant by the standards of the presidential race, she can afford to run a long game of prepping for a likely 2028 race.
  
  Of course if Trump wins in 2024, her political career won't go anywhere, but it's a fair bet to plan for the contingency of him losing.
  
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If current disqualifications hold, Trump will have lost access to 33 electoral college votes and needs 270 to win. Assuming it's Trump vs Biden in the general, that's almost half a California.

2020 went 306-232. Trump won 2016 304-227 partly due to faithless electors.

At the current pace and schedule of the impending Trump trials, and after accounting for judgments already rendered and how those are affecting Republican party bankrolls, it's gonna be a blowout. He's on track to lose another 3 dozen electors by October and that's guessing hyper conservatively

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- Let's not get comfortable though. We all still need to get out and vote come November.
  
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  Haley is almost as bad for America, and definitely worse for Palestine and Ukraine than Biden, who she is projected to beat. The difference, quite frankly, is just how blatant the corruption will be.
  
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- Correct me if I'm wrong but being removed from the primary ballot has no real standing for general election. It doesn't matter that he can't be on the primary when the GOP has chosen him already. It's just posturing. He hasn't lost any electoral votes.
  
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  You're not wrong.
  
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  You're not wrong. However, it's still massively consequential because if he can be taken off the ballot for the primary, he will also be taken off the ballot for the general. It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS rules. Will they decide to create a new legal test at the federal level? Will they throw it back to Congress? Since they supposedly love states rights so much, will they leave it up to each state to decide?
  
  Each option is incredibly consequential. Option 1 allows the Supreme Court to disqualify candidates. Option 2 turns it into a political contest, like an impeachment proceeding. Option 3 is absolute chaos, since we know some states will disingenuously retaliate by removing Biden from their ballot regardless of whether there is any merit to an insurrection charge.
  
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  assuming it's Trump vs Biden in the general
  
  I was just bored crunching numbers on the ride home but I did say the damn ting
  
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- Trump was never going to win Illinois anyway.
  
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- Yes but we also have this going on.
  
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  And what do these people think Trump would do about Israel?
  
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  Yeah I'm having a very hard time feeling any comfort with that concept strongly looming.
  
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- It's not just a count of electoral votes, the votes are not '50/50' shot. Colorado has been consistently democrat for 16 years , Illinois and Maine for like 30 years. These weren't going to Trump no way no how.
  
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is it a blue state ?

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- Very much so, but like many other US states, the urban area (Chicago) is more liberal and the rural areas are conservative. But on balance the whole state is very Blue.
  
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  Southern Illinois may as well be it's own state. Feels like you're going back in time to some bizzaro land hellscape mix of 1955 and 2005.
  
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  Yeah, 80% of the state's population is clustered around Chicago and St Louis. The rest of the state is red af but sparsely populated.
  
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- Ya
  
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  Okay then. Well, it is still good news.
  
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Nice

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https://lemmy.world/post/12537294

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Really mixed feelings on this. I think the legal argument probably has merit, although I am not a lawyer. I quite hate Trump, and think there will be negative consequences (possibly very scary!) if he wins. But I do not think that elections in America should be won in the courts.

Edit: I think today is the day I block /c/politics

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- This is about upholding the actual laws that define the American political system and not some personal smear campaign, dude.
  
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  And yet the reaction from certain conservative states is to try to find ways to disqualify Biden. The Fourteenth Amendment was voted in under a particular set of circumstances and whether it applies here is unclear. This will ultimately undoubtedly go to the Supreme Court.
  
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- Fair elections, yes.
  
  Trump, through, has been lying and cheating his way through the previous and this election. He literally lies more than he speaks truth but more importantly, he continuously threatens everyone of his opponents and he has a base who will literally support him even if he commits heinous acts.
  
  He has over 90 court accusations running against him running from an enormous amounts of frauds, to insurrection and treason. The guy should be in jail, and others would habe already had the death penalty, yet trump is out here. Did mention the countless amounts of ties he mentioned he wants to he a dictator, how cool dictatorships are, that what the US really needs is a dictator....
  
  At some point you gotta take what you can.
  
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  I would note that this has nothing to do with any of those indictments. The Georgia charges stem from attempts to overturn the election results, not from Jan 6. There is nothing disallowing criminals to run for or serve as president. One could argue that in a free democracy it's very important that criminals be allowed to run, to prevent the law being wielded as a cudgel against political opponents.
  
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- The election is won in court because GOP chose to support an insurrectionist. They could've chosen someone who shouldn't be barred from holding office.
  
  There's nothing to be mixed about, unless you believe insurrectionists should be able to hold office.
  
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