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New Discord TOS binds you to forced arbitration - Opt-Out Now

Read about Discord's Terms of Service

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/17618684

Forced arbitration means any legal disputes you may have with Discord must be resolved through a single third party mediator, who 99% of the time is chosen by, and will rule in favor of, the corporation/Discord. This effectively removes all your legal rights as a consumer, because arbitration decisions are legally binding and non-appealable.

The new ToS goes into effect April 15th, 2024.

YOU CAN OPT OUT OF ARBITRATION. You must email arbitration-opt-out@discord.com BEFORE MAY 15TH (30 days after ToS effective date) with your username stating that you wish to opt out of the arbitration clause. Once May 15th passes you are bound to arbitration with Discord forever.

Opt-out before it's too late.

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Yeah, good luck enforcing that contract in any country that has a legal concept of "automatically unfair contract terms".

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- the arbitration terms are explicitly stated to be US only. unfortunately the US is not a country with a functioning legal system
  
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  What are you talking about, the US has the best legal system money can buy
  
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  Can you include that in the title and description please? It's a pretty important detail to leave out!
  
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- I think they're only worried about U.S class action. Don't think American companies really care about the legality anywhere else
  
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  Well, wait for their first fine from the EU, they usually start caring then.
  
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  They do. See what happened with EU's GDPR and DMA, or how they bend over backwards to make China-only versions.
  
  Companies operating in any "anywhere", need to follow the law of the land, or close shop there.
  
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Another company wants to skip liability. https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/pixel-phones-come-w-forced-arbitration-a:9

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I wonder how long until they inform us about a data breach.

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A TOS isn't legally binding.

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- That's false.
  
  Any contract is legally binding... except for the parts that go against the law.
  
  I'd suggest consulting a lawyer knowledgeable of your particular jurisdiction, before deciding which part may or may not be binding.
  
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  Any contract is legally binding
  
  Exactly. And a TOS is not a contract.
  
  If you go to law definitions, contracts have a number of requirements to be such, of which to my knowledge a TOS fails two (Negotiability and Certainty).
  
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We need a Federated FOSS Discord alternative built to work with the activity pub protocol.

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- Has anybody made a matrix app that looks like a discord clone? That sounds easier since the federated rich text chat is already made, the current clients don't really appeal to the discord crowd.
  
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  Cinny is the closest to Discord in terms of UI, it even has a feature where you can show subspaces within a space as if they're categories of a Discord server.
  
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- We welcome anyone back to IRC
  
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- No we don't. We need small instances, each with their own specific topics and communities that DO NOT share your information far and wide, like the fediverse does. I don't think the fediverse model is the way forward.
  
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  But by not sharing anything, you'd loose users who don't want to sign up for each instance individually. I think it would be a good way to be able to sign up once on one instance and then being able to use all other instances available, but the chats etc of one instance being private to the instance itself.
  
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  Or… how about we just treat the fediverse like it is a…. public forum…. and use different tools for having more private conversations?
  
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- Isn't there already one? Thought that was what Revolt was
  
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  not federated
  
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- So... Lemmy? Mastodon?
  
  Although I think Matrix is better suited for chat, just need a client with voice/video support.
  
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Do I need to worry about this not being in the US? I'm wary of the way I word my opt out incase it causes me some issues down the line

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- No, this is for US only. Where corporations are permitted to abuse the market and the law (or lack thereof).
  
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Thx for the reminder to get to deleting my discord accs

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How are we supposed to opt out? By deleting our accounts?

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- You must email arbitration-opt-out@discord.com BEFORE MAY 15TH (30 days after ToS effective date) with your username stating that you wish to opt out of the arbitration
  
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- If you read the post, it says you can opt out by emailing your username to discord
  
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A few years ago, wasn't there a company (maybe it was uber?) that was being overwhelmed by arbitration fee's for a large number of arbitration cases? I forget the outcome, but it may be due to their agreement stipulating they would cover arbitration fees. Either way, forced arbitration needs to go.

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Does that applies to accounts registered in the US but now I'm not physically lived in?

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You must email arbitration-opt-out@discord.com BEFORE MAY 15TH (30 days after ToS effective date) with your username stating that you wish to opt out of the arbitration

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