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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel?
  • My logic (I don't live in the us but for the sake of argument, let's pretend I do) is that if a politician can commit a livestreamed genocide, and they win the election, it signals to politicians that there is no line they can cross that will make their campaign unviable.

    It would be more ideal if the Democrats could have been punished for their war mongering years ago, but you never punish your representatives for crossing even the most egregious possible line, then you truly don't have any power over them and have fundamentally given up.

    If tommorow, even 10% of the dems indicated in polls that they would not vote for kamala because of gaza, it would force the DNC to take a stronger stance on the issue because the race is too tight. If this had happened many months ago, the Democrats could have been forced in giving concessions. But the Democrat voter base has made sure that the demmocrat party has no need to give concessions. They have used themselves as meat waves to ensure that the genocide can continue smoothly.

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  • Some academics became liberals after having flirted with Marxism. This is relevant why exactly? I mean, I can cite many great minds who remained Marxists and even advanced the theory. Ever heard of Paul Cockshott? Alan Contrell? David Zachariah? Emanuel Farjoun?

    These guys (and some others) actually worked on Marxist economic theory and modernized it. They lived through the collapse of the USSR and remained steadfast in their beliefs. And I haven't talked about countless other minds in anthropology, history, contemporary social studies and philosophy who have used dialectical materialism as a foundation to achieve great results.

    And so I want to emphasize something.

    every single one of them gave up and became an egalitarian.

    Is blatantly and literally false.

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  • I can perform a completely independent experiments in my house.

    And I can scream into the abyss, it's just as relevant. The absolute majority of actually useful and relevant science is performed socially for social purposes.

    I make a hypothesis that my stove can boil 1L of water in 10 minutes.

    You aren't even supposed to do a scientific experiment in the way you have just described. Or rather, there is neither a universally agreed upon scientific method, nor would your described experiment hold up to any standards.

    An actual scientific experiment into water boiling would involve at the minimum

    1. A model predicting the speed of boiling based on relevant variables
    2. A collection of many data, and preferably corroborated by independent sources
    3. Statistical analysis of the data (there are many methods to choose from) to gauge confidence in the model.
    4. Publishing or proofreading of the results.

    However, at each of these steps, you have a choice of how to approach the problem. And this depends on what you are trying to do, and what the best standards in the industry are. The process has also changed over time.

    And this reveals the problem of many people's metaphysical approach to science. They treat it as if it were a platonic ideal, or floating constant in the human minds pace. In reality, "science" is an industry with its ever-changing standards, culture, interaction with the rest of society, and a million other complexities.

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  • The broader field of academia and getting scientific papers published is more of a governance thing than science.

    You cannot separate the 2. There is no pure science out there which can be done without "governance".

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  • Despite no longer identifying with liberalism, I still make liberal mistakes. I have caught myself multiple times at this point saying that China is not doing this or that to help Cuba, or Palestine, or to combat some domestic issue. Then I do some digging and it turns out they are actually doing something.

    As an example, I thought that China was abandoning Cuba with its energy crisis, but they are actually building solar plants. There are still problems, since the plants will take time to open, and still only provide a fraction of the energy Cuba needs, but this is just one project. I am sure there are more things going on behind the scenes which I just haven't seen yet, because they aren't flashy enough to make it to the front page of the news.

    Basically, what I am saying is that I spoke first and investigated latter. This is because I was being lazy. I just want to remind everybody to not repeat my mistakes.

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    Ideology gap increase between young men and women in various countries.
  • Liberals are by any definition of the word right-wing, since liberals believe in capitalism and the liberal democracies of the world are maintaining ruthless imperialism.

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    NATO official: Ukraine has legal right to strike deep into Russia
  • They have other means of retaliation, notably, arming western enemies. Although thisninstance was cancelled

    3 day invasion

    The idea that they planned for it to be 3 days was completely made up.

    Let’s see if it pays off for them.

    Quite the attitude to have when the west is losing wars on like 4 fronts (gaza, yemen, ukraine, and lebanon) simultaneously. That too while having shit military industrial capacity.

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    NATO official: Ukraine has legal right to strike deep into Russia
  • By capturing Russian territory Russia now has a reason to come to negotiations to just call everything off to get their land back.

    Ukraine captured land in kursk and this did not cause the Russians to come to the negotiating table, nor signal that they will weaken their demands. In fact, they simply started taking land even faster in Ukraine because Ukraine had committed resources into kursk instead of the front lines.

    All it goes to show is that westerners have a complete non-understanding of this war.

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  • Nato is as much a "mutual defense" pact as sea lions are lions. These guys bombed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq and countless other nations. The members of Nato have repeatedly cooperated with each other, using the military networks built through the alliance to wage proxy wars, perform coups, destabilise regions of the world at a scale never before seen in human history.

    You might as well call the axis a mutual defense alliance lmao.

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  • I mean America is a fascist country though. After all, it still has legalised slavery and killed millions of innocent people in this century alone. It's only natural for such a country to elect fine specimens just as Trump or Biden.

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    Harris says she won’t stop Biden’s policy of sending weapons to Israel
  • But there are some in this thread who would pretend Harris is more pro-genocide than Trump, which is demonstrably false.

    Is it? She's the one who is the VP of the organization funding the genocide. I don't recall Trump directly funding genocide, even going out of his way to circumvent US law. Maybe he did, wouldn't put it past him, but given the information I have at least, Kamala and Joe Biden are demonstrably, empirically more pro-genocide than Trump, who remember, has already been president in the past.

    Literally the entire political analysis of liberals on this issue is based on nothing but vibes. Trump is worse than Biden/Kamla on genocide because he has more bad guy molecules in his brain of some dumb shit.

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    Harris says she won’t stop Biden’s policy of sending weapons to Israel
  • Israel, for whatever fucking reason, has us by the balls.

    They don't. Their military is entirely dependent upon America. Israel is essentially America's 51rst state. I mean, Congress even passed a law to treat IDF soldiers as if they were American soldiers.

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  • The election discourse has become cancerous because it keeps going in circles. This is because liberals have become fixated on the narrative of there being some large bloc of leftists who are going around trying to convince people to not vote. However, this contingent, does not actually exist? Most of the people I have seen take a stance against voting for Biden aren't telling other people to not vote. Some are, but the number of these people is so vanishingly small (compared to the rest of the electorate) that it becomes clear that the election discourse is entirely a waste of time.

    Liberals are also really trying hard to convince these people to vote (by berating them online), and it just seems like this is the most idiotic and time wasting strategy possible. These people have negative charisma.

    Even if they actually could actually speak persuasively, wouldn't it be far better to target the large number of non-voting centrists/apathetic people rather than leftists who have taken a principled stance (and thus could only be convinced if you knew more about American and world history, which liberals are blissfully unaware of)?

    For as much as liberals are fond of accusing leftists of being impotents on a moral high horse, the election memers aren't accomplishing anything either.

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    This meme I think is the perfect encapsulation of the liberal mentality. The election is treated as a moral choice in a context free and timeless vacuum. There is no understanding of the laws of motion of history, or the logic that drives the American government, neither of which can be affected by an election.

    There is the belief that you can delay fascism by voting for the liberal party, without understanding that it is the failures of the liberal party in the first place that breeds fascism.

    Reading the comments on the original post, the closest thing to a long-term strategy I saw was to make progressive (by liberal standards) ideas more popular and to vote more tactically in the next elections. Even when I was a liberal, I knew this was a dogshit strategy because it is vulnerable to the Republican strategy of fucking with the legal system and acquiring power regardless of how people vote.

    I cannot understand how liberals, after being being told constantly by their own media sources that republicans have made a science out of undermining American elections, believe that the counter to Republicans is ... more effort on elections.

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    First world labour aristocracy

    Sorry about the long post (shortest leftist wall of text be like)

    When it comes to the "labour aristocracy" in the first world, I feel like many leftists wildly exaggerate both its size and wealth. This is often done to the point of erasing class conflict in the first world, as this article does. I might be totally wrong here, but i feel like these authors are making anti-marxist errors. The following points are emblematic of what I am talking about (emphasis mine):

    >The class interests of the labour aristocracy are bound up with those of the capitalist class, such that if the latter is unable to accumulate superprofits then the super-wages of the labour aristocracy must be reduced. Today, the working class of the imperialist countries, what we may refer to as metropolitan labour, is entirely labour aristocratic.

    This is just completely wrong when one considers just how many poor people live in the first world who obviously don't receive super-wages. US poverty rates alone are always above 10%, and that poverty line is widely known to be inadequate. The US also is significantly more wealthy than Europe, where the calculus is even worse. And that doesn't even account for the wild wealth disparities that exist in the first world.

    >When ... the relative importance of the national exploitation from which a working class suffers through belonging to the proletariat diminishes continually as compared with that from which it benefits through belonging to a privileged nation, a moment comes when the aim of increasing the national income in absolute terms prevails over that of improving the relative share of one part of the nation over the other

    What it is saying is that when the working class share of national income becomes high enough, they start to want to exploit other nations as that becomes beneficial. However, the expansion of imperialism in the neoliberal era is also the reason for the stagnation of living standards in the imperial core. By accessing a larger pool of labor in the south, the position of northern workers is threatened. That's why Northern workers have fought against outsourcing, the very fundamental imperialist measure.

    >Thereafter a de facto united front of the workers and capitalists of the well-to-do countries, directed against the poor nations, co-exists with an internal trade-union struggle over the sharing of the loot. Under these conditions this trade-union struggle necessarily becomes more and more a sort of settlement of accounts between partners, and it is no accident that in the richest countries, such as the United States---with similar tendencies already apparent in the other big capitalist countries---militant trade-union struggle is degenerating first into trade unionism of the classic British type, then into corporatism, and finally into racketeering

    I am not too familiar with the history of the trade union, but wasn't the degeneration of the unions largely a result of state and corporate action against the unions? They engage in union busting, forced out radical leaders, performed assasinations, etc. This seems like an erasure of the class struggle to the point that the unions are depicted as voluntarily degenerating.

    I feel like these kinds of narratives, which are popular amongst liberals as well (liberals will often admit that weak nations are exploited. Example - America invades for oil meme) tend to justify imperialism to westerners. I have on more than one occasion seen westerns outright say that they don't want to fight against imperialism because they benefit from it. I think that's how a lot of westerners justify supporting imperialism. This kind of narrative ironically cements the power of imperialism

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