At this rate it probably won't lmao
Yessss I was waiting for someone to confirm that <3 get fucked empire
I wouldn't really use the word "agrees" to be honest. It's a great thing, undoubtedly, but I think they wouldn't do this if they weren't de facto forced to because they're stretched so unimaginably thin. This country truly is on the brink.
The neutral criticism piece I actually disagree with. I think it's equally on the people's perception as it is on the person delivering/intention, and in a society where most people are going to be much more likely to be responsive to a positive languaged critique, there is no reason not to. We don't have to be logic-lords or Spock, we're humans and we like to be reassured and talked to nicely even when we are wrong. This is all assuming the person is good faith ofc.
It probably differs based on who you're talking to, y'know, other comrades can probably take a little more direct language compared to some random newbie but I think it stands regardless, you have to frame it in a way that is digestible because of the large possibility that it could be blocked by your tone and their response to it. If we want to be practical, we need to consider this.
Personally I still agree with you lol, and am working on/getting better at taking direct criticism as not personal. But that doesn't mean we should expect everyone to take it that way, it's just not the way most people think.
Edit: everything else you said I agree with though, I still just have my own issues I listed above lol ^
That could be true, and definitely is for a number of "left-wing" creators. I don't know if that's the case for this, though, because he seems to (no hate to him here) really not be that popular? Or content-creator-y? Like he writes essays and critique pieces, he doesn't make videos or whatever and to my knowledge none of this is monetized, so would that even be a motive? I don't know, but either way it's an "ugh" moment lol.
I hope I'm not crucified for this but I can't stand this guy. People have made good points about him, and theoretically/intellectually he is brilliant - we all know communists need to be engaged in serious business and not just spam posting memes and hanging out in our circle-jerk platforms.
But is he not a flaming hypocrite? I swear I've read something about how he isn't even involved in an organization because he "just can't find anything serious enough" (this could be a dream on my part tho) - that is just insufferable. There are a few good orgs in the US/Canadian area and it's ridiculous to throw everything out because they don't adhere to page 4858584 line 5 of some obscure Marxist's writing. It seems to me that he dishes out criticism after criticism and spams writings on the internet, engaging in borderline useless beef that doesn't get much traction, all while being... chronically online himself?
I just think that like, anyone who is willing/able to understand/actually applying this level of Marxist thought isn't just sitting online anymore and doesn't need constant "takedowns" because someone said something vaguely wrong. JT makes one iffy MMT video that is literally one of his least effectual creations and dude wets his pants over it. I'm not saying don't criticize but the frequency in which he makes them, combined with his harsh ass wording, combined with the (maybe?) fact that he is not even doing anything serious in real life? Rubs me the wrong way and just paints the stereotypical insufferable communist picture we all know.
He extrapolated very erroneously that anyone said don't read theory here, and although the "you have to be a literal slave to be a commie" is braindead, he seems to latch on to literally anything that could be false and go deboonk mode.
Part of flowing through the masses and being one of them is not being an insufferable nerd. If this guy preaches sincerity and seriousness, then I think we should get serious that this rhetoric and behavior online isn't doing shit other than MAYBE fine-tuning already-ML-aligned people. There's a use for that, but good lord, if he tried this shit in an organization he would be hated. You can't be obnoxious to your comrades or random members of society if you expect anything.
I could be going too harsh here honestly, I just have had these thoughts for quite a while and never really said anything lol. If it is proven true that he is in fact in a real life org then a lot of this would fall through and I would only stand on "stop being annoying" point, but I don't know. You have to be personable and digestible to be an effective communist, not just "I know my shit and you don't and here's why"
Mucho texto over, burn me alive if necessary
Edit: Stawp downvoting me and explainnnnn
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I can't lie I wasn't very active last year so I'm a bit out of the loop, but I do remember some beefy comment threads with you involved. Never with me directly tho.
I'm sure people will welcome you back with open arms. We all make mistakes and get hot-headed
First part makes definite sense. Completely unacceptable to have that kind of thing just laying around for anyone, especially considering the pettiness that is sometimes present within leftist organizing lol.
Last part also good point. Yeah, I mean, shit we don't really know until we are there. But I think we can get more and more of an idea and closer to saying yes as we get more involved in this organizing. We are in danger for before the feds have us in the cell. But yet we continue. That to me signals something brave
Idk I'm low-key tweaking right now just because a lovely comrade pointed out it's my cake day on the 'Grad and holy shit it really has been two years. I mean that's genuinely insane like that's where I mark officially becoming a MLMZT subscriber, joining this instance and the GenZedong bans.
I really like you all (except those libs that keep sneaking here to downvote every post...) and I give you all heavy credit for getting me on the proper path and organized to where I am today. Truly had it not been for this site and its warm welcomes I may not have arrived at the ideological position I am today and not been able to shake the anti-communist propaganda. One of the most important things in my case was realizing we (communists) are humans and not some monolith that will cook you if you ask a stupid question or say something wrong. I mean, we will cook bad faith libs but that's a different story. I remember being so fucking scared to comment in here because I had no idea what I was on about and people really helped me. I wouldn't say I'm an OG on here but certainly have a lot of history now and it's just good to see this community thriving.
Thanks comrades love u all ❤️
You seem to be joking, but this is a seriously good idea. Technologically literate people are needed in orgs. Get on it comrade <3
The security concern is understandable and we should take necessary measures and keep important things between trusted people in real life, but we need to be honest with ourselves that we are under surveillance at all times anyways.
We've expressed more than communist sympathies online and in real life. We are high on the watch list (that literally everyone is on anyways).
Organizing definitely has pig and fed supervision and even infiltration. You should assume there is someone untrustworthy around you at all times.
But this does not mean we stop organizing, or slow down, or cower. If we have this weird pursuit of perfect privacy, we will do absolutely nothing. Because it doesn't exist.
At some point we need to break through this fear of "getting got" because of bad security and recognize that it doesn't take anything for the feds and pigs to do terrible things anyways. If you're actually organizing in real life, if you're actually active, you're eventually going to need to be clear on your goals. And that right there blows your "security".
If we are too scared to put ourselves in ANY amount of danger just through supervision, how do you expect us to actually carry a revolution forward?
I'd ask you all to consider the concept of revolutionary suicide, or at the very least, revolutionary sacrifice. It's true, engaging in this may lead us to prison or death. And no amount of security is going to prevent that from happening when the going gets going. Is that worth it to you? Do you have the drive to live a life free that is so strong you'd give up everything for it? I say this not as a finger pointing or "you're weak" thing, but a genuine question. I don't blame you if the answer is no.
Once again, before I get crucified, I am not advocating against basic security measures to filter out feds and keep classified information in the hands of trusted people. I am pushing back at the overall theme I see specifically with online lefties that prioritizes security so heavily that we can't share our names or general locations with these established orgs as if the feds don't have this already. I'm pushing back against the overwhelming fear some people seem to have (justifiably) because we don't need that right now. We need resistance. And that is dangerous.
This is a very weird question, so no worries if y'all don't have great answers because I have exactly zero answers myself.
I've been thinking recently about how I am a dedicated ML, and do subscribe to materialism. But I also have a spiritual tinge to me, one that was pretty fired up by psychedelic use and the listening to some Buddhist audios along with Duncan Trussell and Alan Watts.
I guess I'm just wondering if there's any serious contradictions by subscribing to MLMZT while also getting a little deeper into the metaphysical aspect of philosophy? I have always found the Buddhist outlook and the lenses that I look at life through propelled by psychedelic use very useful, interesting, motivating, and just fun.
Like, I can recognize when there's people just saying extremely vague things and selling a "get enlightened NOW" course for $999.99, so don't get the idea that I'm like falling into some culty shit. I just enjoy the hope-core, insightful/philosophical takes that don't seem to fall directly in line with Marxism.
The Egg story (Kurg video on YT ironically enough, the Gates funded channel) being an example, or Duncan Trussells "The Midnight Gospel" (which I haven't actually watched but just saw the one famous clip of the mother being sucked away into death as she talked about the ego, reincarnation, the universe just being love, etc.)
Interestingly, I actually got involved with Marxism originally partly because of psychedelic use and the shock it sent through my philosophical/world outlook.
Anyways yap over, THIRD PARAGRAPH IS THE MEAT OF THE POST!!! thx in advance <3
This shit is so annoying, even the "communist" subs are filled with ultras and liberals. They're all so chronically online and just obnoxious
I'm getting more involved with FRSO shit anyways, so I'll have less time to spend on there. Never was useful anyways.
Fuck these idiots
Real talk what y'all think of this? Someone do us a favor and watch a fat chunk and get back to us (it might be me)
That's what I was questioning, GDP isn't a great indicator for the performance of an economy. But still, they're beating the west at their own game. The point stands
Same here in the states. Just frothing to give an excuse to start the bloodshed with all the buzzwords you included. Jihadist, terrorist, etc
To be fair, calling for a great war against the hegemon BASICALLY means WW3, but I see what you're saying. They're seething at the mouth to justify pummeling a country to ashes
You don't think that America falling would advance the revolution? I don't need them to explicitly say "yes this is a Marxist-Leninist revolution"
Happy birthday my friend, you will be gifted with the fall of the empire within your lifetime
Incredibly based
Definitely good, but how serious are you about the pictures thing?
Every event I've ever been to I've wanted to amplify and the way to do that is through videos and posting pictures. Obviously your face and other people's faces should try to stay out of it, but just a span of the size of the crowd isn't hurting anyone.
I might be biased because I am honestly at the point of just saying fuck it with my identity being linked to communism. If the pigs want to find me, they already have plenty of evidence of me being involved with this and there's no shame in my game. They don't need a reason to do something to me, so I might as well amplify and document this shit.
I do agree about clothing and blending in.
*their job is to kill and oppress working class people, specifically racialized ones.
They did their job. They almost did it better than they ever have.
Media whirlwind or legitimate threat to average people?
Is the PSL legit?
I'm seeing a bunch of controversy surrounding which socialist organizations to join and I've heard the best things/least bad things about the PSL. Is this true?
I just came across a video on social media claiming that this person's father and mother lived in "communist Poland" and that their lives were awful. They claimed the government took their parents' land and that they were incredibly poor. The father was apparently jailed and the mother fled to Italy. After doing some digging it was clear (the person outright said it) that their family was part of the Solidarity movement in Poland. What does this mean? I want to take the time to refute this in the comments because nobody else seems to be doing it. I know it may be a waste of time, but hey, it's late and I've got nothing to do. How do I respond?
Edit: Just did a quick Google search and found out they received 2 million a year from the CIA. Genuinely laughed out loud.
Why do or don't you support it?
How do we feel about propaganda? And what would the definition be?
As far as I understand it, propaganda is simply a tool used to convey political messages accurately and concisely in hopes to get people over to whatever side it is coming from. Am I wrong in this?
Is there a "good" propaganda and "bad" propaganda?
EDIT: Rephrased some things
Achievement Unlocked: How Did We Get Here?
posts about what the headlines would be like if China legalized beating kids in school
Liberal: The headlines wouldn’t be much diff g. Literally so many people above the age of 50 support that shit.
Me: Nah. I feel like western med would be all over that beating the drum about China beating their kids and it would be heavily exaggerated lol like the whole social credit thing.
Liberal: No. Legit no.
Me: How so? So much over there gets misrepresented.
Liberal: I think China's bad, G.
Me: Why? I know it's not perfect, but it has my support.
Liberal: Bro they genocide the Muslims. Police state is it not? The way they enforce stuff. Mainstream media also has a problem with it so it almost certainly is bad in some regard. Plus destiny agrees and some politicians I like.
Me: Uyghur genocide is straight up western fabrication imo, like 30 Muslim envoys just went there and came back defending it. I'll find the source. Alot of that was propagated by Adrian Zenz who works for the US government and the victims of communism foundation which is a joke lmao. Typical 100 billion dead stuff. As for police state I'm not sure what you consider that to be but I don't see china gunning down minorities in the street or with 22% of the world's prison population despite being 4% of the world's population like the USA. What do you mean the way they enforce stuff? And mainstream media is us government and billionaire funded so it shouldn't surprise anyone that the narrative is "china bad" and diametrically opposed to socialism. I don't really like or watch too much destiny, but what politicians?
Liberal: I highly doubt the slaughter is fabricated. I can look into it later to prove you wrong on that. But I doubt china properly reports their imprisoned and data and they enforce things through breaches of privacy.
Me: I really don't think it's legit. China is poised to take us over economically and is socialist. This is plenty of reason to propagate a genocide when the world order is capitalism. link the site where the state department admits not having enough evidence to declare genocide. Furthermore, most proof for this is usually 144p satellite images of prisons or something ridiculous like that. The falling birthrate argument is bullshit because the Uyghurs have just recently been placed under the same birthrate requirements as the Han so of course they will fall. What makes china less credible than the US? Do you have the same doubts for our bureau? What kinds of breaches of privacy are you speaking of? And like the United States hasn't been spying on the entire population the entire time?
Lib: You have to understand if we declared genocide all hell would break loose. So first off you understand there is motive for the US to cover it up and not give a fuck? Especially since yk, we don’t necessarily care of Muslims that much? I feel like that would be the first thing that should come to your head… the US don’t care about Muslims… but ig cause it's china you are dissonance?
Me: Right, the motive is not Muslim lives, I think it's anti-china rhetoric. and dissonance how so
Lib: Wym? uses my name look at your first message. Thats literally the us defending China gang. Come on you ain't dumb. China is less credible because they don't have the same checks and balances as we do and their departments are corrupt. That’s why we can say 911 actually happened and why if that Shii happened in China we would have no clue. If you really gaf about both sides you would kno why China cannot be trusted bro
Me: Departments aren't corrupt here?!? You think our checks and balances genuinely work for the people here? And I don't mean this in a condescending or rude way but do you know how china works? Like their system of participation?
Lib: there is a difference. Large scale deception is impossible in the US. Departments are separated in the US, in China they are not. Yes they do work for us here. I know not of one country that operates like the US.
Me: How is large scale deception impossible here bro? And you're right they have far greater participation in many other countries lol including 🇨🇳
Lib (this is where it gets weird): Because Large scale deception implies cooperation between departments. We have real humans in the US with more means and less threat to their lives for leaking info. Prosecutions have to go through judges where everything needs to be declassified. China doesn’t work this way.
Me: You don't think that those departments have the same class interests? And do you genuinely believe things are always declassified? Also what are you implying with "real humans in us with more means and less threat to their lives for leaking info" lol the cia has killed journalists time and time again and or locked them up.
Lib: There could be some deceptions/ things done by individual departments sure but for example, a genocide could never happen in secret. Bro, not everything has to do with class. Other values exist in this world. Plus you forget there are hundreds of thousands of people in these organizations. Things would get leaked. However, china doesn't grant its citizens the same things to prevent leaks such as heavy regulation of the internet. uses my name, you sound very dumb when you say "do you genuinely believe all things get declassified". With prosecutions? Literally yes. I don’t think you understand all court cases are public info G. Things have to be declassified in proesections Because it runs through the state judges. Look this up. Also, keyword CIA. A singular department. Meaning they were able to leak things. Dog you’ve been legit brainwashed if u think Uighur is faked. Like deadass that’s some conspiracy stuff to claim that shit fake
Me: I am not arguing that it couldn't be leaked here or that everything is covered up. I'm saying some things surely are. But sure, let's give our government the benefit of the doubt and say that these individual agencies (e.g CIA) are solely responsible for the destruction they've caused and no other government force had a play in it. These people were never prosecuted for MKULTRA, for the hundreds of thousands of people killed, millions of lives ruined in the global south, etc. Many things have been leaked like you said, but I think it's incredibly naive to believe that our government is entirely transparent (Here I made an assumption about what they were saying). Where are you making these assumptions about China from? As for the internet, they are subject to cyber attacks and heavy western influence. Of course they want a secure internet. Furthermore, you can literally get a VPN or some other shit and get around it, plenty of chinese do. Nobody is coming after you for that. Yes, everything when prosecuted is declassified, I'm talking about the things that aren't prosecuted and haven't been leaked. Yes, we have protections in theory. This does not stop the persecution and suspicious unaliving of journalists and radical figures.
Lib: What assumptions do you refer to? Officials get away with incredibly terrible programs like MKULTRA which mind you, are INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS, they have nothing to do with other departments. Deadass. Believe what you want, but that is legit how our government functions. Wdym our government is entirely transparent? I never said that. At all. my name. You are not defending there regulations on the internet gang. Deadass you’ve been brainwashed
Me: I apologize for putting words in your mouth. It seemed that was what you were saying to me
Lib: I’m saying china works together department wise to prosecute without the checks and balance given in our systems. You can be honest if you dk what you talking about. I’d also bet a lot of the journalists and figures you talk about that were unalived are genuinly just conspiracies you’ve only looked at from one side. I promise probably half of the mfs you think are subject to death by CIA is legit just a conspiracy wit little evidence. Also the VPN suggestion is laughable. Look that one up bud.
Me: having a vpn is banned, yes. That doesn't mean there aren't ways to get around it if you want to see the western internet so badly?
Lib:I love how In your mind the INTERNET is just WESTERN MEDIA PROPORGANDA 😭
Me: It's not lol? I'm saying this obsession with being able to say whatever you want with no consquences and all of the shit we have to sift through here is what, in my mind, would be penetrating into Chinese internet
Lib: It’s either u have a foundamental lack of understanding how they regulate the internet, or genuinly ur brain is wired to think internet is western media… its also funny you say that. Considering you didn’t think about that when u supported the idea uigher Muslim genocide Is fake. Literal Concentration camps exist there Sure they aren’t extermination camps if that’s what you feel I’m implying but thag shit is REAL. And you're a moron if you think it's fake. Anyways point is Chinese are bred to be nationalist but also you believe the shit that comes out of their mouth even tho they have every reason to look out for thenselves only.
Me: I don't appreciate the moron comment. Anyways. Yeah, every reason to look out for themselves only because they're fucking targeted endlessly by the rest of the world for upholding a different social order lol... also Americans are bred to be nationalist hard-core too I don't see the point. I think we're not going to get anywhere. Support to china from me.
Lib: I think the world dislikes them for more then just upholding a “social order”
I then stop responding.
Am I stupid? Is the Liberal being overly condescending or am I just sensitive? I'd like to know your feedback. Thanks for reading if you did.
Malthus was wrong, right?
It seems eerily close to being ecofascist
As I've begun my journey in exploring for organizations to join I have come across a few anarchists. They get shit talked alot on here (often times rightfully so), so I'm wondering what you guys think about it. Is it hot garbage? Or is it necessary for successful revolution?
I look at it as a matter of both privilege and apathy. I get upset (not visibly, of course) when people say they don't "like" politics, or blow it off entirely. Politics is not some separate entity, we are living in a society! An inherently political game!
Furthermore, there is no "politics" as just a concept. What part of politics? Literally everything is politics. Climate change and environmental care? Food and agriculture? Economics? Culture, beauty, art? How can someone blow off literally everything? To me its an attempt to shut down conversation and demonstrates they don't care or have no idea about the atrocities that have occurred/are going to due to the West's collapse and climate change. Am I out of touch? Being non-undedstanding?
Let me know, thanks
"When people are no longer able to work as many days outside, those are sort of the things that will prompt" action
Has communism won? Is it a matter of time before the collapse of the West?
Or will fascism have a complete takeover?
What are some things that will almost certainly happen?