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Public transit in Toronto, Canada 🇨🇦 vs Chengdu, China 🇨🇳

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All jokes aside, things like this are why China is beating us. I am absolutely not a fan of the Chinese government, but the simple fact is they get shit done.
- It helps that in China you can’t own land. All the land is owned by the government. You only have “use rights” and for a limited time (something like 80 years - I forget the exact number). So when it comes time to build infrastructure the government just tells you to gtfo.
  
  Wait until you hear about the UK! I own the freehold to my land, but technically it's gramted by the crown, so I could in theory at any moment have my home taken from me.
  
  China has stronger property laws than the US, look up stuck nail houses. If the US wants your property, they can eminent domain your shit. In China, developers have literally had to swerve highways around property or build shopping centers around that one person who wont sell
  
  Lies. My family had a factory in Wuxi, China. 2 buildings that were dedicated to dormitories. 4 buildings dedicated to manufacturing promotional products.
  We were able to lease the land for 50 years with a 50-year option at the end of the term.
  Around year 5, the government decided to turn the main dirt road into a proper road. They took back 1/4 of the land. They just used our area for staging.
  About a year after the road was made, they decided to expand the road. They took back now 1/2 of the original land and buildings.
  Less than a year after the expansion, they turned the 4 lane road i to a highway. They took the entire land back. My family invested millions of dollars in buildings and infrastructure. We got back pennies on the dollar spent on the investment on compensation.
  My family never fully recovered financially.
  
  Huh, if the government has that power, why don't they use it for stuck nail houses? I talked to a few people in shenzhen who made significant sums selling land to developers.
  Different type of ownership due to your family purchasing the land vs inheriting it? Different provinces? Did they compell them by indirect means such as threatening to revoke a business liscense or asking suppliers to pressure them?
  
  I don't know. Wuxi is significantly smaller than Shenzhen. I think it was around 2 million people at that time.
  They didn't give my parents much of an option. When they did finally take the land away, they did offer to relocate us to another location, but at that time, my family was already struggling from the 2nd loss, my parents just ended up closing the business all together.
  
  I'm sure that's the whole story.
  
  America is no different. Try not paying your land tax.
  The only difference is that, in America, someone needs to shout "eminent domain!" first and slip you $500 for your house.
  
  Isn't this post about Canada?
  
  Look to public transit development in Taiwan as an example of how to do it right in a democratic nation. There are still loads of problems but the Taiwanese government can’t just take your land outright. Taipei especially has seen phenomenal growth in its metro development in the last 20 years.
  
  LOL
  
  The government of Taiwan is the Chinese government
  
  Just like how Pakistan administers Jammu & Kashmir and India administers AJK & Gilgit Baltistan, both of which are across the Line of Control in the opposite country's border lol.
  
  Wrong, the state owns the land but you can own the house, and not just for your 70y BS period.
  There are plenty of articles like of instances where homeowners don't want to sell for infrastructure like this: https://twistedsifter.com/2012/11/china-builds-highway-around-house/
  I know for a fact here in EU or the US they will indeed " just tells you to gtfo"
  BTW, in China a high 90% of people OWN their house and aren't rentslaves.
  So there's that China bad man.
  
  It's hard to overstate how much safer and more ethical it is to use eminent domain and fairly compensate someone monetarily for their property than to leave their house in the middle of a highway
  
  That's besides the point wether you think it's better or not, it should be the OWNER's decision as is the case in China.
  And not what this rustydomino is pulling out of his ass.
  
  No it's not besides the point, it's in direct response to your point. Leaving a house in the middle of the highway is a better outcome for no one
  
  The discussion was about having rights of ownership and on the decision, not anyone's opinion what is better.
  So you're completely besides the point even if you can't admit this obvious fact.
  
  I'm sure the developers offered "fair compensation", you need to demand lot before fucking up the highway design is more economical than meeting their offer.
  
  In the US, the government provides compensation, not developers, and they pay fair market value as determined by local appraisal districts.
  
  The main difference here seems to be that the US can compell property owners to accept what they determine is a fair market rate, but another poster informed me that in some cases the chinese can compell people to sell too.
  
  And China has slave labor
  
  I mean so does the United States thanks to the 13th amendment but we don't have anywhere near the same infrastructure to show for it
  
  American slave labor isn't used for anything interesting - it's just letting companies pay less for labor for their own benefit.
  
  And what are the Uighurs making that is so interesting?
  
  that's not the slave labour that's building china, just as prison labour isn't what's powering the US
  the actual productive slave labour is done by regular workers who nominally have "freedom", just that they don't actually have a choice if they and their family want to live.
  
  lmao do you think china has an industry of mustache-twirling villains whose job it is to threaten peoples families if they dont work for free? Presumably they work for free to keep their families alive too.
  
  Proof or I don't believe.
- No just any shit, shit that helps everyday people living in their country.
  I'm just thinking of the major cities in my U.S. state where the public transit map, before and after, looks like Chengdu in 2010. So as unfortunate as the circumstances are in Toronto, they can be even worse.
- One of the reasons they can build their future so quickly is because they were left in a unique position after WW2 to effectively destroy their past.
  
  And they have slave labor. Oops, I guess that's something that shouldn't be said in a post pandering China
  
  all the big countries have slave labour by any other name, they all fucking suck
  
  I've been to urumqi, literally anyone can go there.
  Theres no slave labor, its normal industrial farms. Unless youre suggesting the guys driving the combine harvesters or running the factories are secretly enslaved.
  
  not a downvote either. guess you didn't say the magic word.
  Uyghurs
  
  If you're USian - you have vastly more domestic slaves (I think you call them prisoners in for-profit prisons) than Uyghur population. Maybe you should do something about it.
  If you're not USian, no rebuttal.
  
  The US hates China, hates muslims but pretend to care about those poor Chinese muslims.
  I wonder why?
  
  The only country I know taht has slave labor is the US and their barbaric Gulf states friend.
  But the poor Uyghurs!!!! BS propaganda
  
  It's not like workers having to do 2 or 3 jobs in the US just to allow their family to survive are really "free workers". At least slaves in China seem to benefit the country. In the US, the slaves just benefit big corporations and their shareholders.
  
  Don't compare struggling to make rent to the prisoners picking cotton by hand in Lousiana.
  
  I was not doing any comparison, sorry of this sounded like it.
  
  I'm curious, tell me more about this (actual question, not being sarcastic)
  
  China was invaded by Japan before WW2. Look up the Rape of Nanking if you want specifics. Once WW2 ended China had a civil war. The CCP managed to win and Mao Zedong ascended to power. He led the Cultural Revolution which basically eliminated the old ways of China to pave the way, over the bodies of millions of people, for modern China.

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