Where did AfD voters come from, and where did they go?
Where did AfD voters come from, and where did they go?
Even more voter movement charts.
Bonus: "Do you think Germany's economic situation is good or bad?"
not even asking about personal economic conditions, just the overall state there's a massive fucking difference in perception.
Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?
Also interesting how it's the same as in the us where the answer to "how's the country doing economically" vastly depends on your news sources since only a very low amount of people in Germany are out of work, the Dax is hitting multiple records in recent months, the economy is growing, inflation is going down and the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level
But for some reason all you hear about is the food prizes which actually didn't increase that much compared to the normal shrinkflation. Or everyone was portraying how there would be disastrous power outages after the switch off of the atomic generators but nothing like that happened. Or how Germany had the lowest inflation amongst most European countries despite having the biggest dependency on russian gas because the political decisions made where actually really on point.
But for some reason nothing of this is reaching AFD voters so they keep ignorant and think the economy is failing.
Kind of similar to how regions with the fewest migrants are the most racist since the media has full control over the scare tactics targeted at them without any reality interfering
39Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?
Misguided pacifists that believe that the AfD would negotiate a peace deal with Putin in Ukraine. I personally know some like that... who just barely stopped short of admitting they considered voting for the AfD because of that.
19the Dax is hitting multiple records in recent months, the economy is growing, inflation is going down and the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level
Stock market figures only benefit the wealthy. It is an entirely meaningless figure for measuring the economic situation of a country's population.
inflation is going down
Inflation "going down" doesn't mean there is no more inflation. It only means that there is less inflation than before.
the unions are achieving raises above the inflation level
Only a minority of the German workforce is even represented by those unions, also, most of them barely managed to get raises covering the recent inflation. Inflation adjusted salaries in Germany have been stagnating and even shrinking for decades now, so whatever has been achieved by the few unions isn't really that impressive in the long run.
The reality of the majority of people in Germany is vastly different from what you are describing.
17Inflation “going down” doesn’t mean there is no more inflation. It only means that there is less inflation than before
Keep in mind that "inflation going down" is usually shorthand for the year-on-year inflation rate going down.
If the yoy inflation rate goes down from one month to the next, then prices are still higher than previous year but may very well have fallen since last month.3
Who are those 50.000 that went from green party to afd? What kind of reason could there possibly be for that?
Not to speculate too much but according to court records, Beate Zschäpe browsed Greenpeace news before setting the camper ablaze.
The German far-right has never been anti-environmentalist as such, much to the contrary: On the first Green party convention there were a lot of people who were of the opinion that not enough is being done for the German forest. Until they got kicked out with prejudice. It's the centre-right which likes to bury nuclear waste in leaky barrels in leaky salt mines.
-9Not to speculate too much but according to court records, Beate Zschäpe browsed Greenpeace news before setting the camper ablaze.
Where the fuck did you get that nonsense?
The German far-right has never been anti-environmentalist as such, much to the contrary: On the first Green party convention there were a lot of people who were of the opinion that not enough is being done for the German forest. Until they got kicked out with prejudice. It's the centre-right which likes to bury nuclear waste in leaky barrels in leaky salt mines.
This is also bullshit. The AfD literally does not believe in climate change and wants to get the coal industry running again. The Greens are pretty much the number 1 enemy of the far right in Germany and everyone caring for the environment is seen as a menace, because the whole topic kinda became a left leaning political topic somehow (likely due to US politics).
23Yeah but the green party is like the official antagonist for the AfD
Of all the parties there are their favourite target to delegitimize at any possiblity
4
Massive difference in perception, or actual effects for the voters. Cause they seem to be mainly situated in east Germany.
9Might have a lot to do with the relative state of infrastructure and, generally, their surroundings.
That is, you might be personally fine off economically, but you're seeing abandoned buildings all over the place, the trams are run down, and the schools have leaky roofs because the municipality has no money because half of the population moved west and all the infrastructure is oversized.
Meanwhile, the stereotypical Green voter is living in a city driving their Cayenne to the horse pasture enjoying the quaint surroundings. (I mean of course you need an SUV you're towing the horse once every two years)
3That is, you might be personally fine off economically, but you're seeing abandoned buildings all over the place, the trams are run down, and the schools have leaky roofs because the municipality has no money because half of the population moved west and all the infrastructure is oversized.
Same thing in the West. Infrastructure is not that far behind in the East actually, so this is a bit of a myth. Generally German infrastructure has been suffering a lot over the past couple decades, also thanks to the 16 years of the Union not wanting to spend money on anything important. But I guess voters forgot that already.
7For east Germany it also does not help that within an hours drive you cross an arbitrary meaningless line but on the other side of it people will work for cents on the euro. So companies will not go where the higher wages are to be paid.
This also does not help the us and them rhetoric.
And yes, the left seems so hyperfocussed on migrants and citizens with a migrant background in their rhetoric that they alienate a lot of people that feel like they are not represented by that left. And this translates to.. so they are spending all the money on the brown people and nothing is left for us... While in reality everyone is fucked... Except a very small group.
5That's one of the problems of the Greens, they and their voters are largely a relatively wealthy urban bubble who see three trees and think that's nature. That's why a lot of their environmental policy is based on greenwashing shit like CO2 certificate trading and subsidies to new electric cars only rich people can afford in the first place.
3