Do you run a Custom ROM?
Do you run a Custom ROM?
Simple question really! Are any of you running a Custom ROM? Furthermore, are any of you running a De-Googled ROM?
Why do you run your custom ROM, and what are the drawbacks?
Do you run a Custom ROM?
Simple question really! Are any of you running a Custom ROM? Furthermore, are any of you running a De-Googled ROM?
Why do you run your custom ROM, and what are the drawbacks?
When I was a teenager, I'd probably change my ROM 3 times a day. Spent more time in the recovery mode than using my phones.
As a working adult... I wouldn't even know the names of any modern custom ROMs.
This is me. That rush when a new ROM booted for the first time, or the panic when you're not sure if you've just softbricked your phone.
Bugs? You tell me!
As a working adult... I wouldn't even know the names of any modern custom ROMS.
And there are psychos like me that changed their custom ROM in the work... Ahh, that thrill to mess it up and lose your device for several hours until getting home.
This is obviously a sign you need to be medicated
I just stick with lineage os. Its clean and efficient
Yes, I bought a Pixel 6 specifically to run GrapheneOS. I can proudly say that every single app on my phone is open source, no GSM and no Google. I don't really mind paying a company like Google for the phone, I just don't want to hand them my data.
Yup same here. Two profiles, one is my daily driver and open source, they other is for the few apps I need with Google services. This is the perfect compromise between what I want, and what I need.
Sounds neat. But what all the services that require proprietary app? Like banking, Uber, reviews on Google Maps etc.?
you can use web apps for banking, uber
although uber and most banking apps work on grapheneos, check this community verified list https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
for reviews, you can use gmaps webview https://f-droid.org/packages/us.spotco.maps/
for navigation maps, you can use openstreetmap like magic earth and organic maps
if you think osm doesn't have enough data of your area, then you can use herewego maps, its another proprietary map, but is a bit better than google on privacy
The only thing I personally use out of all these is online banking and I do that from my PC at home. For reviews on Google maps I could theoretically just use it in my browser.
Yes, I'd rather fuck around with custom ROMs than endure the user-hostile crapware that most vendors bundle. I'd also rather try to make an app work despite safety net or whatever not passing out of the box than not have any defenses against the dumb bullshit software vendors put in their apps. I'd rather go back to a feature phone than live with a walled garden full of spyware and ads.
CyanogenMod user since the 6.x days, currently running LineageOS 20.
I like my phones to work and be usable. I stayed on the stock ROM for my OnePlus 8T for 2 years and went right back to LineageOS.
Manufacturers just can't make ROMs that work correctly without bullshit.
Have you noticed a big change from the OnePlus original rom?
Apart from not relying on manufacturers..
What are the advantage of these OSs?
I mean, features etc
Been running CalyxOS for 3 years. Compile it myself from source with some extra tweaks and such. I've even got a nice build server going that automatically compiles builds monthly and pushes updates to my phone via OTAs. It was a little work to get set up, but now it doesn't feel any different from the stock Android experience.
It started because I was tired of all the unchecked spying Google does, and I wanted to get away from that. But now I can never go back to "regular" Android, because the vendor bloat in "stock" ROMs is incessant, and I am maintaining patches for quite a few features Google has either removed, or never supported in the first place (2-button navigation, AM/PM clock, automatic call recording).
Honestly, there hasn't been any drawbacks. The phone works perfectly, calls are fine, it runs great, and I haven't needed Google Play Services for basically anything. My banking app still works. I don't use Google Pay so I don't really care that it doesn't work. Android wearOS doesn't work, but at this point Google has dropped the ball so severely, I don't have the motivation to bother with a smartwatch.
Most of my paid apps continue to work without patches, and I get them from Aurora Store. For the ones that don't work, I just patch them myself to remove the license checks. I paid for them, so I should be able to use them regardless of what ROM I use.
Damn dude, self compiling with your own OTAs is rad as hell. Kudos to you for getting and keeping that running.
Thanks! But I can't take all the credit. Calyx maintains the OTA updater and it's very configurable. Just change the domain name, make sure your webserver has all the right files, and you're off!
I want to do that to but with grapheneos so I have more freedom and control over my mobile.
Same here (CalyxOS on Pixel Phone). Except for me not compiling it myself. Its super easy to install and runs super smooth. In my case for two years without a single issue.
I run GrapheneOS without any Google Play Services. I don't want to be locked into any software and I selfhost all my backups except having encrypted backups in one cloud provider for very important things to keep them off-site.
Most of the things people generally would consider drawbacks like lack of google assistant, chrome, play store, youtube etc. I consider to be a positive thing. I am in mostly full control of permissions and I have a siloed work user when I do need to access Slack and other apps for company use.
Yes, running crDroid on my Redmi Note 10 Pro
Works for me without any issues and I even got the banking apps to work using magisk delta
Magisk Delta? Been away from the custom ROM scene for too long now, is Magisk Cloak no longer a thing?
It is an unofficial 3rd party Magisk fork.
What is magisk delta?
I have a lineage phone I keep on dial and I was using graphene OS for a minute but
The thing is that I live by my phone. Passwords, banking, pretty much the entirety of my actual life daily. I think graphene OS is great! But I also don't have time or a the ability to have an AI review the codebase to validate that what I'm putting on my phone is safe. The truth is that these are unpaid strangers making a great product who's work Im not a subject matter expert in. Android is a large codebase. I'm friends with a guy who works on it full time and even he feels lost sometimes. So I reversed my phone back to stock Android for my daily driver.
If I'm doing better financially in a few months I'll likely buy another pixel phone or try fair phone with graphene. I just can't justify the purchase right now and my phone works fine.
Just a reminder if you like these projects, donate to them!. I dropped about $1000 on open source stuff over the last year to include joplin, EFF, vueJS, graphene, lineage, and quasarJS. Every one of them does great work.
not anymore....
i used to screw around with custom ROMs all the time. mostly AOKP and cyanogenmod... but then phones started getting picky about rooting... things like camera stopped working or not working to full capabilities...
also i was installIing "[NEWEST SHINY] KERNEL 4.1.1 (L33T SCHEDULER, FASTEST PERFORMANCE!!!111)" like every week, but that got really tiring.
edit: i just noticed AOKP is dead... so sad. anyone know what happened?
I used to muck around with custom roms in the early 2010s, but at some point the Galaxy UI stopped bring horrible and I needed my phone to be available at all times, that's when I stopped.
I'm running lineage OS on my moto one 5g ace. Main reason was to upgrade it to the most recent version of android, since it wasn't getting any updates beyond 11. No drawbacks here, haven't run into any bugs or anything. But I'm also not a power user or anything, just trying to extend the life of my phone
The charge port on my one 5g ace just gave up the ghost recently forcing me to buy a new device. I liked it, but it is rather heavy.
That's unfortunate :/ yeah mine is showing it's age, and the headphone jack doesn't work properly anymore. But it was a great phone while it lasted. Thinking about moving to the oneplus n30 or the moto 5g stylus
Oneplus 7 Pro + Crdroid 9.5 + Magisk + LSPosed and my safetynet is green Google pay / bank app work and L1 DRM certificate work for netflix/prime...
Would you say the customer rom is faster than on the original rom? OnePlus are pretty good with their roms.
Oneplus are good with Rom but not highly maintained and I always have custom rom and root on all of my phone. I hate ads and I use all the method that exist to not have any ads in any of my app.
OnePlus are pretty good with their roms. used to be pretty good with their roms.
Sadly not anymore because I need my banking apps to work reliably. Making them work isn't the biggest problem, but I'll never know when an update blindsides me and breaks something.
On a sidenote, I'd really like to know why banks think that an ancient phone that hasn't seen a security update in years is somehow more secure than an up-to-date Lineage or GrapheneOS.
Eh, banks don't want to piss off their customers over something they have less control over.
However I do know that my bank does keep Android version updates in mind. The app won't work on anything less than Android 10, which is about 4 years old. So no working on any kind of ancient phone.
10 or so years ago yeah. Used to run CyanogenMod nightlies hah.
I was rom hopping like crazy on my Xiaomi phone trying to get the perfect privacy setup. Eventually I got tired of microG's lack of compatibility and the serious security issues rooting and leaving the bootloader unlocked caused so I sold the Xiaomi and got a Pixel to run GrapheneOS on. Best decision ever. GrapheneOS is freaking awesome. Secure and private, and all my apps just works. It's so stable, muuuuch better than stock. I think I've found my endgame and I'm never using any other custom ROM again.
I'm using Evolution X because MIUI just sucks and my phone won't be updated to android 13 anyway. The drawbacks are banking apps of course and the fact that i could lose my internal storage data if i forget to flash disable forced encryption.
yes, grapheneos on pixel 7
I think custom Roms respects us a lot more than stock is which treats us like product
Lineage 18 on my bacon!
Daily driving it
Thanks to Treble I'm using LineageOS. My device, a Redmi Note 10, doesn't officially have the ROM, and for my use case the GSI version is good enough
I'm using a Google Pixel and for awhile I was using stock, mostly just because after having custom roms on my previous devices I didn't want to have to deal with trying to get apps to work, I was building my unofficial lineage to get some tweaks I wanted. However I'm back to using Lineage again.
I daily drive a custom ROM with (sandboxed) gapps (currently crdroid, but also spark os, cherish os, voltage and others). I also have a tablet (old galaxy tab A) running lineage without gapps, which I use for reading ebooks.
I can't imagine returning to stock roms. The inconsistencies, various hacks, apps not respecting your settings and privacy invading software. What a nightmare!
LineageOS, withoutgooglwe play services the drawbacks are some apps don't have a notification support (some have that live 24/7 notification to make it work, but most don't have that).
Picked LineageOS for the privacy features and how easy it is to run commands (I literally just had to copy and paste commands, one at a time, no hiccups)
Also on LineageOS but I am on the MicroG build that emulates google play services.
I was thinking about adding it, but will probably let this phone die on it's own and switcht to a Pixel phone with Graphene OS with the gps sandboxed, or whatever they do there to make it work
Yes. They're just better on a budget device like mine.
Just upgraded to a Zenfone 10 so running OOB for now, it's close enough to stock for me.
Before that, I extended the lifespan of my OnePlus 5 to 6 years by running custom ROMs. Most recently I was running PixelExperience and had a really great time. I used to care a lot about customization, but PE had sensible defaults and I didn't feel the need to customize a whole lot.
Worst part about running unmodified stock is that I'm not rooted any more. It's been bugging me less than I'd imagined, but there are some things (like backups) that simply won't work anymore...
VoidUI (not de googled) because:
The drawbacks:
Yep, LineageOS 20 ON A onePlus Nord N200 with no gapps installed at all.
i run Lineage because 4 years ago i had enough of all the tracking and switched off and deleted my google account completely. I also deted Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, etc accounts in the same time period. I really cant see any drawbacjs to running Lineage the way i do.
GrapheneOS on Pixel 6a
No, for the same reasons as another commentator said: I don't want to be locked out of a Safety Net-enabled app when I need it. Ran with LineageOS back in the day though, and it was a really nice experience.
I do not, mostly because I've gotten busier and I use mine for work, which requires me to pass safety net and I really don't feel like arguing with compliance.
Pixel 6 Pro here
Yeah, I use Lineage on a Pixel 5 since I switched back from an iPhone a few months ago. My intention was to run Graphene or Calyx, but I can't get wifi calling working without gapps installed, even with Graphene's sandboxed play services and the dialer. I think ATT Prepaid is using the new wifi calling negotiation that Google implemented in Android 12. I have zero coverage from any carrier for miles around me, so wifi calling is pretty critical. So I installed mindthegapps, enabled wifi calling, and then disabled all the Google stuff again. I didn't want root, so I'm not too thrilled with this situation.
I'll be switching to T-Mobile/Mint or Verizon/US Mobile in the next few months, so I'll try again then. But I'm seriously considering getting a Light Phone. Then I'll use a Pixel Tablet with Graphene/Calyx and a Garmin Fenix for handling music, calendar/email, hike mapping, browsing/media while lounging, maybe a work account, etc. I'm also considering just limiting the software footprint on the Pixel, but.. that's too easy to override on a whim.
Another option is a Unihertz Jelly Star, so the screen is too small to do much. I'd really like Spotify in the car, and mostly just my downloaded daily/weekly playlists since I have such limited cell coverage. I'm not entirely sure if the Fenix can play to the head unit over Bluetooth.
I suspect the decades of infinite scroll is destroying my attention span and already limited emotional response, which is combining with my autism to put me in a place of pretty much near constant burnout. That leaves me on the cusp of meltdown at all times, it's not a good place to be. Luckily reddit gave me an excuse to do what I'd been leaning towards for over a year, and there isn't such an overload of content over here yet.
you can install sandboxed google play services on grapheneos which so much better than microg on lineage
I tried that, and couldn't get it working. There must be some other package I'm missing. I tried some stuff like carrier services, but no luck. Or maybe it's the sandboxed nature of gsp, but I think there's something else missing. There's a dialog that launches in Lineage without gapps and Lineage with MicroG, but fails to register the feature still. But in Graphene and Calyx, that dialog never launches.
Been using LineageOS with microG on my phone for the last couple of years out of a general distrust for Google, using open-source apps in place of the Google ones. My phone stopped getting OEM updates after Android 12, so being able to use Android 13 through LineageOS is a plus. Main downsides are that some apps don't play nice with microG and that unlocking the bootloader makes banking apps stop working.
I've had rooted/rommed phones for years, and I've never had an issue with bank apps working. Wells Fargo, Chase, and US Bank all work for me.
Using LineageOS on my Moto G7 since I got it, no GApps at all. I plan to use it till the battery gives out and then get myself a latest Pixel and install GrapheneOS on it. De-googled Android is probably the best compromise of privacy/functionality you can get, Linux phones sadly are just not there in both hardware and software and I have no desire to trap myself in Apple's walled garden prison.
No.
Running /e/ OS on a 1+ 7 Pro
I am running Paranoid Android Topaz 4 on my OnePlus 7T. No fancy features, but very stable. Just like Roman Empire.
I run LineageOS on my Nexus 6, to get ongoing security updates. I also keep one other sacrificial phone running stock android with bootloader locked, so no more security updates, but I don't run anything on it but my banking app, since it's too insecure.
ArrowOS 13.1 on my POCO F3 and Xiaomi Pad 5
GApps version btw, because I just hate MIUI and love AOSP.
Running de-googled Lineage OS (Android 10 equivalent version). Biggest drawback for me is maps. I make do with OSMAnd+ but I have to search on Google Maps, get the coordinates and paste into OSMAnd+. Other than that no issues
It would be nice, if you could incorporate those missing locations into OpenStreetMap once you come across them. Afterwards everyone else will benefit from your contributions, as they don't have to lookup the location on Google Maps anymore. :)
OsmAnd actually has a map editing plugin. Another great application for improving OpenStreetMap is Street Complete. It is a good way to kill some time while waiting somewhere with incomplete OSM data. ;)
Yes I do that when I can! It's super convenient with the map editing plugin. I probably wouldn't contribute if it didn't exist xD.
I'll check out street complete thanks!
Nope. Pixel 6 Pro.
Would if I could, but I cannot.
I have "debloated" as much as I can, which includes a fair amount of Google stuff. I don't have a Google account.
No drawbacks. In fact, if anyone, like me, is unable to root their phone or install a different ROM, the simple process of using adb
to "uninstall" the apps nets you a few more hours of battery per charge.
I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel 5, even though I didn't want to use Custom ROMs anymore.
I run it mainly because of sandboxed Play Services (i. e. Google services running as a user application with much less capabilities, instead of a system application, like with the factory image) and the additional functionality, which includes the ability to revoke network and sensor permissions for any app.
One of the reasons I decided to flash it, instead of remaining on the factory image, was that it behaves like the factory image once it is installed. Meaning the bootloader is closed and I don't have to ever worry about updates (manually flashing the latest firmware files or the latest gapps, etc.). It even has automatic system updates, meaning it installs system updates whenever I am not using the phone. So while I'm asleep my phone is updating itself and the next morning I start the day with the latest GrapheneOS release. Very convenient!
I still download apps primarily from the Play Store (auto updates also work for those apps!) and use F-Droid only for apps that aren't available there (due to F-Droid signing most apps with their own key). But, since the Play Services and the Play Store run as a user app, I am at least able to take all permissions away from them, which should reduce the amount of data that can be collected by them.
There are drawbacks though, one of them is the lack of Pixel features. Those missing features include adaptive charging and sound output improvements, which results in degraded speaker quality on GrapheneOS, especially with newer Pixel phones (verified on a Pixel 7).
In the future I hope to ditch Android altogether on my main phone and switch to a Linux phone (and have a cheap Android phone, or a compatibility layer, for disrespectful companies, like banks or EV charging providers, that force me to install an Android or iOS app), but I haven't seen the right Linux phone hardware for me yet. I plan to replace my Pixel 5 when Android 15 releases (as Android 14 is the last major update for it), so maybe I can switch to a Linux phone by then. :)
I run lineage os
I'm running LineageOS on a Moto G42. I bought this device with LOS in mind (also it is one of the very few devices with headphone jack and MicroSD slot). So far I'm happy. I always rooted/custom flashed every device since 2012. I'm no longer rooting anymore though. Shizuku is sufficient for my needs.
Yes to all questions. Only drawback I can recall is my banking app refusing to pass Safetynet but the website works good enough.
I run degoogled LineageOS
I haven't run a custom ROM in years. I pretty much stopped using them when I started buying unlocked global phones that didn't have carrier bloatware on them.
I used to. I haven't been able to find a good custom ROM for my current phone (LG V60).
Yes, AlphaDroid (Android 13)
Honestly the names mean almost nothing, custom ROMs with new names come out all the time and get discontinued all the time. Just need to find the stable one for your specific device and with the features you want. I use custom ROMs mainly because I get much better battery life and performance compared to stock ROMs which are bloated and slow in my case.
The drawback is mainly you should be tech savvy and be willing to do trial and error/tinkering a lot. But once you find a good ROM you'll probably stay a long time and if the dev is good you'll get consistent updates.
There's also the banking apps problem some people have. With most new ROMs these days, banking apps should work out of the box. Now if you root your phone that's what apps try to detect but it's pretty easy to get around after research (again tinkering). It's a cat and mouse game. If they change something you'll have to update your method of hiding root or Magisk. At the moment I'm using banking apps just fine without them detecting root.
On my current phone, no, because I want to be able to use Google Wallet and pay with it. On my old phones yes I unlock bootloader and install some kind of custom ROM to play with them.
I don't see enough DivestOS here. It's basically LineageOS, but actually more private and secure. Though it explicitely doesn't support any way of emulating Play Services, which can obviously be a dealbreaker for some.
Which device are you using with DivestOS?
I am using all of the DivestOS applications on my CrDroid. I am thinking to switch on my Poco F3 but I am skeptical due to removal of many blobs.
A OnePlus 5T, runs like a charm. Since I'm not dependent on Play Services or anything of the sort, it was my best bet short of replacing it with a Pixel.
I'm running it on a Poco F3, and in general I've found DivestOS to be more stable than crDroid. Also, it makes it easier that it comes with a system webview replacement built in.
Edit: I haven't tried locking the bootloader, mind you, but that doesn't really interest me so much.
I really want Motorola mobility to allow relocking the bootloader but until then I'm stuck with lineage os
I just recently joined the DivestOS clan! I do kind of miss a few of the customisation options I had in my last ROM, crDroid, but overall I'm finding it a little more stable and I'm generally very happy with it. In particular, I like the inclusion of Mull for the app browser and Mulch for the system webview browser.
Even Mike Kuketz likes it, which says something. He's a german cybersecurity expert who's been looking at several custom roms over the last months. This is his article on DivestOS:
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/divestos-datenschutzfreundlich-und-erhoehte-sicherheit-custom-roms-teil5/
Well, if you can read German
I'm running LineageOS for many years now, currently using LineageOS4MicroG on a Motorola because I really need good GPS.
Wish I could, my phone manufacturer has the bootloader locked down and I will be using this one until it stops getting security updates. I'll probably switch to Zenfone 8/9 or a mid budget moto eventually as those tend to be unlockable.
I would actually advise anyone not to buy phones where the manufacturer doesn't allow bootloader unlocking (e. g. HMD) or where the phone gets permanently damaged/modified once you unlock the bootloader (e. g. Samsung). The only power a consumer holds is purchasing power, so the more people refuse to buy locked-down hardware, the more incentive there is to offer hardware with unlockable bootloaders.
My personal recommendation would be Pixel phones, due to excellent GrapheneOS support, but their regional availability seems to be limited and the quality of the hardware could be a lot better (e. g. the battery of my Pixel 5 failed just after the warranty period; luckily iFixit provides genuine replacements and I managed to replace it myself, but this replacement wasn't easy and it has become even more difficult with newer Pixel phones).