Mates, today without warning, the reddit royal navy attacked. I've been demoded by the admins.

A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn't even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.

Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.

Just FYI for now. It's late here so I'll see how we proceed tomorrow.

wolny internet @szmer.info Reddit zaczął pozbywać się niewygodnych moderatorów na wygaszonych subach

Privacy @lemmy.ml Mates, today without warning, the reddit royal navy attacked. I've been demoded by the admins.

FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH @lemmy.fmhy.ml Main mod of r/piracy demoded by reddit and forcing the sub to open up again

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This could not be any funnier. Please reddit, take legal control of the piracy subreddit, right as you take the experienced mod team out. I'm sure everything will go fantastic.

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- Reddit will sure be a lovely site in a few months…
  
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  May their shareholders weep.
  
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  I'm sad to see what has happened to the community I've been a part of for the better part of my life.
  
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- [removed by reddit]
  
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- they're gonna love that sweet, sweet liability
  
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- lol yeah
  
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- I had a good hearty laugh thanks to your comment.
  
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Haha what the fuck I really did NOT think they would do that to r/piracy of all things. Ah well fuck them and their shitty IPO. I‘m here with you guys for good, the structure of the fediverse suits our purposes and community better anyway.

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- I would imagine that can lead to legal troubles endorsing r/piracy willingly?
  
  Accepting it is one thing, but forcing it to open is entirely different.
  
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  I would imagine too, but who knows, there is a different set of rules for companies and the rich.
  
  Now that Reddit is asserting direct control over it, maybe they‘ll turn it into an anti-piracy sub to prevent any legal trouble.
  
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Well I guess its time to flood r/piracy with magnet links as soon as the new jannies open it.

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- Also worth flooding them with ~~links~~ a map to where they can board the new ship where the 🏴‍☠️ flag still flies high.
  
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- Bonus points if they're Nintendo games!
  
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- why magnet links in particular?
  
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  I mean could be any link to copyright material but I generally grab magnet links so shrug
  
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Not sure about the optics of Reddit force-reenabling a subreddit devoted to piracy LOL

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- Coming soon: rebranding /r/piracy to "pirate cosplay"
  
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  Nothing but pictures of John Oliver in maritime garb.
  
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- r/piracy after the IPO: piracy is unethical as it is stealing from the poor (companies). This is a community to discuss how to stop piracy and become responsible and dutiful consumers.
  
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  "dutiful consumers" kinda icks me lol
  
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"In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

The defendant must be a "provider or user" of an "interactive computer service".

The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the "publisher or speaker" of the harmful information at issue.

3. The information must be "provided by another information content provider", i.e., the defendant must not be the "information content provider" of the harmful information at issue."

If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?
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- Permanently Deleted
  
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Obvious that this is automated and will be going out to all subs. They definitely wouldn't go to bat to keep a piracy sub open, unless they're even dumber than I thought.

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- automated message, sure. But they demoded just me, which is obviously very exact.
  
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  Well, what lovely timing to abandon ship
  
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If reddit decides to moderate the Piracy subreddit directly, does that mean that they'll be responsible to respond to DMCA requests? If so, that's going to be a shitshow all in itself.

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- They are. That's why they're banning subs that are sharing links. R/piracy doesn't allow the sharing of direct links
  
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- Oh shit, I didn't even notice what subreddit this was. Please PLEASE someone kick down their door (with legal actions) over this.
  
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  Imagine fucking up that hard that pirates endorse DMCA
  
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So basically, according to Reddit, they own everything on Reddit. That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit's responsibility. Bold strategy, cotton. They're basically waiving their net neutrality.

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- That means all the the CP, hate speech — and in this case, piracy — that are posted on Reddit are Reddit’s responsibility.
  
  Of course not, from reddit's ToS: "By submitting Your Content to the Services, you represent and warrant that you have all rights, power, and authority necessary to grant the rights to Your Content contained within these Terms. Because you alone are responsible for Your Content, you may expose yourself to liability if you post or share Content without all necessary rights.
  
  You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
  
  When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content." --https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-12-2021
  
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  That's their TOS. Their actions recently — namely undeleting user posts and comments — run directly counter to their TOS. They're essentially claiming ownership of the user submitted content by doing that.
  
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  Does this, from a legal standpoint, absolve them of what is hosted on their servers? Especially when they just took steps to make sure it is open for bussiness?
  
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Whenever you see inserted words, please imagine an awkwardly moving but very colorful parrot squawking it.

The ability to ~~find and~~ make these ~~connections~~ prrrofits is incredibly important to ~~many people~~ ourrr sharrreholders, and ensuring that active communities are able to remain [a] stable and active ~~(and open)~~ source of prrrofits is very important forrr us!

Our goal here is to work ~~with~~ the existing mod team ~~to find a path forward~~ into exile and make sure your subreddit is usable for the ~~community~~ company which makes its ~~home~~ monnney here.

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Lemmy it is, then.

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1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying "they'll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone"

2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab

3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands

4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.

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That was enough to get me to officially sign up here.

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Lol, gtfo. Fuck that place anyway.

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Make sure you remove any and all bots created, and delete all the custom work you did. Reddit can probably restore it, but it'll take them time and effort to do so.

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- They can restore the bot accounts, sure, but they can't restore the servers that run those bot accounts.
  
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Reopen with the new rules: All posts must relate to the golden age of piracy!

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This is happening all over reddit.

Mods are posting all over the place saying "I have to bend over for the admins because if I don't they'll find someone else who will".

You do you but honestly I find this a bit weird. As an unpaid volunteer you don't have to do anything. Just resign. Reddit's not about to die but it's best days are in the past. I wouldn't want to be a part of the future of reddit.

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Its an industrial lockout so classically you either organize and strike even harder or burn down the capitalist pigs factory.

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I'd be surprised if the subreddit survives the IPO anyways

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- It's fascinating that they would let the r/Piracy sub be forced back, you'd think that it would be in their interest to let it stay shut as long as possible and quietly close it.
  
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Arrgh, if it be mutiny then we stand by ye captain. Unfurl the sails and man the cannons ye land'lubbers.

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It looks like the sub is now in restricted mode - is that the doing of the other members of the mod team or is admin trying to control outrage?

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- The second mod did it. They did not contact me at all so it seems they're communicating with the admins
  
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  Ugh, this is so shitty! On multiple levels! I'm sorry. Guess we're just being further proven correct in our decision to gtfo.
  
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I like this ship we building here. Lets make it good for sailing again bois.

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Well, good thing that you prepared well in advance and have already built a nice alternative.

Reddit is done

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I reinvited you in case you care.

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- cheers. Rejoined
  
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So, is that an order to abandon ship?

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This should somehow be made known outside the fediverse, to bring more people away from reddit and to here

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- please do share. I can only spread the word so much.
  
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lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.

I'm sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it's still pretty funny to me.

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Wow, didn't figure they'd go so blatantly mask off this early on. They must be nervous.

Also dumb. Have they never dealt with pirates before? Cut off one head and two more grow to replace it. Good luck you shmucks.

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- We'll just tell the pirates that what they're doing is wrong and they'll stop right? Right?
  
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Seems like reddit openly aknowledging they have this kind of power, control, and willingness to take administrative action in a piracy sub would open them up to some DMCA issues for hosting it.

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This bullshit made me nuke my 30k karma account. I hope lemmy won't die month later.

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- Karma is for noobs and tryhards.
  
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- That's literally impossible! An instance may go down, but it will stay cached.
  
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  Okie, I'm absolute noob here. Right now I struggle to find night mode. :D
  
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  I hope lemmy won’t die month later.
  
  That’s literally impossible! An instance may go down, but it will stay cached.
  
  not enough. the big problem with activitypub/fediverse/mastodon/pleroma/lemmy is the lack of "nomadic identities", which would allow full replication of my account on any instance.
  
  without nomadic identities, you have the same vendor-lockin bullshit as with reddit/twitter/facebook: when they close your account, your content is gone. when a lemmy-instance closes your account, your content is gone.
  
  see also: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr#the-problem-with-mastodon-and-similar-programs
  
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😪 sadge. Hopefully something comes better out of this 🤷

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Here come the scab mods!

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Move all the information here and run power delete suite on you reddit accounts while you still can with links to join-lemmy.org, I think that will hurt them quite a bit.

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Our new ship is strong!

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Archive and delete is the only language those scurvy dogs speak.

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- They will simply restore the content.
  
  Users have reported they are restoring comments they deleted using Power Delete Suite.
  
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  Edit your content, dont just delete
  
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I think this calls for the subreddit to get rm -rf /*'d so that reddit gets nothing.

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- We should start posting link to pirated content, magnets and such just to push reddit into permanently close the subreddit.
  
  They took our ship, so we're gonna sink it.
  
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They went easy on you. Some overzealous mod permabanned my entire account for talking about Lemmy. Allegedly against their 'content guidelines'

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- Your entire account would have to be admin level wouldn't it?
  
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  Not sure mate. I've had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.
  
  Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.
  
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Reddit proverbially taking their ball and going home lmao

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- A Mod on the F1 sub was saying that Reddit Admins are threatening any subs that are closed by saying that any mods who are opposed to re-opening subs will be demoted with them being replaced with mods who are willing to co-operate.
  
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  That's big - "The bearings will continue until moral improves" -energy.
  
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Yeah in the antiwork subreddit my comments are instantly shadowbanned, my old comments in other subs show up , reddit is in major emergency mode apparently.

Good

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- Oh yea, is that up anywhere on here yet or not yet?
  
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  !antiwork@lemmy.ml
  
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This shouldn't be a surprise... It was only a matter of time after Reddit got taken over by the CCP...

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- Explain?
  
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- I can't even begin to imagine what the world looks like to you.
  
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