Remember that time Kate Mulgrew and AOC talked about Tuvix? No? Well take a look
Remember that time Kate Mulgrew and AOC talked about Tuvix? No? Well take a look
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Unrelated to Trek, one of my favorite Twitch streams was watching AOC play Among Us with Ilhan Omar, Canadian MP Jagmeet Singh, and a bunch of YouTubers like Jack Septiceye and ContraPoints. The way Omar would giggle every time she killed somebody was adorable.
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Didn't Omar take a couple of rounds as the imposter, too?
She was straight up excellent.
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Concerningly excellent, as someone who lives in Minnesota, lol.
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Janeway leads with focus on her mission - to get her crew home
I don't believe that AOC has seen more than about three episodes of Voyager. If she had seen at least three, the statistical likelihood that she would have seen one where Janeway yanks the crew into some conflict they have absolutely no business involving themselves in would approach 100%
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yanks the crew into some conflict they have absolutely no business involving themselves
That's all of Star Trek.
In fact, that's almost all of most of the space drama series.
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Poor statement of her mission. IIRC Janeway says pretty clearly in one of the first episodes that they're still going to carry out their duty as a Starfleet ship to seek out new life and new civilizations, boldly go, etc. That's their mission, and getting home is an important part but not all of it.
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I think Equinox was a really good story about what a starfleet crew looks like if they abandon their principles in order to get home.
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Remember this cool stuff? Now it's just a fascist site with RW morons trying to out-nazi each other.
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By Trek's logic, Tuvix's identical copy lives in an alternative universe of some sort. And that's really the only way to justify all this.
Ed: Also the "Oh wait, they can't speak so someone has to speak for them" has some interesting implications, doesn't it.
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Surely they also have a copy of his pattern in the transporter buffer.
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that pattern buffer is a plot hole big enough to show a Klingon Battle Cruiser a good time
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Trek has no true multiverse in the modern sense of the concept. It's more of a single-timeline with occasional aberrations. It has the occasional "alternate timeline", but almost always uses the concept that those are temporary and collapse once the "real" timeline is restored - unless some important event or other metaphysical technobabble causes them to remain stable.
The only major examples of timelines that didn't seem to vanish after the protagonists had left are the Mirror Universe and the Kelvin Timeline. There are little pocket loops here and there, but by and large it seems that there is One True Timeline that can be reshaped, but doesn't branch endlessly.
That said, you gotta figure that the Mirror Universe version of Tuvix got wind of the plan to split him in half and did some splitting of his own.
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Thomas Riker was created through a complete freak accident involving a distortion field that reflected a transporter beam in the exact right way to duplicate Will Riker. It's not something that be done easily at will.
Now cloning and memory implantation are completely possible as well, like that one TNG episode where they make a clone of Kahless or that one very dumb ENT episode where there's a clone of Trip. I'm not sure, but cloning is probably illegal by the time of Voyager, since genetic augmentation is completely illegal throughout the Federation.
But the main problem is that nothing other than killing Tuvix would have satiated Janeway's bloodlust. For real, she's like the most evil person in that entire show.
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Also relevant: When Kate Mulgrew surprised everyone at an AOC campaign speech before she got elected.
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That link isn't working for me. Am I the only one?
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see now that is what the social medias are actually good for
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The needs of the many...
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Don't know how I missed this one. Thanks for digging it up buddy. Amazing stuff. ♥️
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Who's/What's Tuvix?
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Further to the link. Tuvix is a character in star trek voyager. There is a transporter accident that ends up welding 2 other characters (Lieutenant Tuvok, Neelix) into 1 individual. The episode is spent trying to resolve this issue.
By the end, Captain Janeway is given a solution. They can reverse the process and recover Tuvok and Neelix. Unfortunately this will destroy Tuvix. Tuvix, meanwhile has developed on his own. He doesn't want to die and makes that clear. Janeway has the dilemma. She can do nothing, and let Tuvix live, or kill him to bring Tuvok and Neelix back.
Basically, it's the trolley problem. Do nothing, and 2 people die, or kill 1 yourself, to save them.
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What I don't get is why they didn't do some technofoolery with the transporters to make a copy of Tuvix and then just split that one. In a universe where there's two William Rikers there's gotta be a way to use transporters to clone.
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Could you please resolve the question for people that did not watch star trek. What did she do?
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The fact that it is still widely discussed even after so many years, proves is such a great episode with a great moral dilemma.
Whether they chose is the right choice or not, I can not say.
But from a story perspective, all I can say is that I didn't really like the character of Tuvix, too whiney and weird. While Neelix may not be everyone's favourite, Tuvok definitely was an excellent addition to the team. So for my enjoyment, they did make the right choice.
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I love this conversation
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Janeway is a blood-crazed necromancer who obviously lept at the opportunity to kill someone to bring two people back
Good thing they had an organ printer otherwise she'd be chopping people up for their kidneys
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I've been watching Voyager for the first time and just got to the episode. I think I agree with the decision (as a lever-puller) but it does raise some interesting questions. As Janeway mentions, if they'd been able to do it immediately, she'd have done it without question, but after two weeks of Tuvix integrating with the crew it's a more difficult question. If Tuvix had been around for say 5 years I think I'd disagree with separating him. I think the way I look at it is that the social bonds possessed by Tuvok and Neelix are more important than the mere two week old bonds of Tuvix, but if Tuvok and Neelix were long dead and their loved ones had already mourned them, while Tuvix had had more time to become a fixture in people's lives, then the circumstances would be different. Tbh I disagree with the idea that Tuvok and Neelix get the biggest say - I think that the input of Kes and the rest of the crew is valuable, and Kes pleads to get Neelix back while none of the crew back Tuvix.
Does that mean the worth of lives is based on popularity? Not generally, but I do think that social connections are a relevant thing to consider. Part of what makes murder bad is not just the loss of the individual's life, but also what it means for everyone else. If you could press a button to create a life then press another to end it, would you have made the world a worse place by doing so? I don't think so. But if you press a button to create a life then go out and murder someone who already existed, then I think you have.
I'd also say that the captain's responsibilities in her role as captain are relevant and also support the decision.
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Are they talking about her appearance on the hbomberguy stream? I totally forgot about that
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Little bothered that Tim Russ said "bias" instead of "biased"
I'm not mad I'm just disappointment.
I'm not mad just disappoint
So I am confusion https://youtube.com/shorts/U7X7cEh5au8?si=hSmKh4IpfDwQqLkE
I hope somebody replied with "hi bias, I'm dad"
No, you see he is the literal human embodiment of the concept of bias and was letting us know. The other tweets are unrelated
It's true, that's why his role as Tuvok was so impressive. The exact opposite of type casting
This is a pet peeve of mine
I'm a little bias short and stout, here is my handle here is my spout
A peeve of mine is the term “pet peeve”. 😅
If something bothers you so, why the fuck would you keep, nurture, and tend to it as a pet?
I propose it change to haunting peeve, because you don’t want it, can’t get rid of it, and it exists regardless if you think about it or not.
😁 (I’m not super serious about this, but “pet peeve” really does low-key bother me)
They separated Tuvix on the bias and Tim got more of him.
I've noticed that grammar error a lot on the Internet. Bias is discussed frequently as a topic of popular rage-bait posts.
FYI for those people: "bias" is a noun that is the thing, and "biased" is an adjective that describes a person who has the bias. "The biased person showed their bias" for example.
It's definitely one of the more common ones. I see that alot
Autocorrect ducks for us all.
For people over a certain age I always assume they're using text to speech and don't worry about going back and correcting it. My wife is somehow always talking to someone else in the room while she dictates to her watch, so I have a lot of fun interpreting her texts.
If you understand someone well enough to correct them, you didn't have to.
Just because you understand someone well enough to correct them doesn't mean everyone else will
Just because you understand them well enough today doesn't mean you will tomorrow
We should all be striving to be better than we are, not breeding resentment from contentment
Yeah, what's the deal with that. Yes, the two sound similar, but saying "I'm bias" is like saying "I'm anger" instead of "I'm angry" or "I'm sadness" instead of "I'm sad".
It's like the "would of" people. They don't hear it in speech so they type it how it sounds to them.
Or it's autocorrect
only because it makes him look like he learned to read on tumblr
Or X(Twitter) or Reddit or Facebook or.............
Tumblr is an offender but let's not pretend it's the only one