11mo ago

Conservative Party Experiences Largest Decline Since Pierre Poilievre Assumed Leadership

www.ekospolitics.com /index.php/2024/08/conservative-party-experiences-largest-decline-since-pierre-poilievre-assumed-leadership/

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understated detail: NDP snuck up on Libs? that's a pleasant surprise. Maybe people did notice that all of recent progressive changes were forced by NDP onto Libs... interesting
- looking at the graph it does leave impression that Lib losses went straight to NDP gains
  
  Good, they need to get fucked and do better
  
  ... or, as we call it, a split vote.
- Now imagine what a jump we could see should the NDP install a charismatic, no nonsense, working class leader with union credentials.
  
  That’s the biggest thing they could do
  Singh just isn’t a winner. He doesn’t get good media spots, he doesn’t push the message of what he can do, he is less negative than Mulcair was, but he’s not inspiring and hopeful like Layton.
  Actually the current situation is very similar to Layton’s time before the NDP exploded in popularity.
  
  Come on Former Calgary Mayor Naheed Nenshi!

It's absolutely insane that our media is so linked to the United States that our Conservatives only start to fall when people see American Conservatives getting beat-down and shamed in the presidential race. (and rightly so)
Are we, as Canadians, unable to tell how shitty our own Right-Wing is unless the American Mirror tells us so?
- I'm from Quebec and we have this character called Elvis Gratton and one of his famous line is "Ils l'ont l'affaire les americains" or in bastardized English "Americans know what they are doing".
  Elvis Gratton is a caricature of a typical man of that era where a lot of Quebecers were enamored with the US. At that time in the US, it was the golden era of the American dream (but we know how it turned out).
  When I see conservatives spreading their bullshit, it reminds me of that character which is not very intelligent and how pervasive the US conservative propaganda is in Canada.
- Maybe Canadians are smart and able to learn from the US not to elect right wing psychopaths. I really hope so, because Conservatives never solve any problem. They only make things worse.
- While I’ve had similar thoughts, I have to wonder if the reverse is true. We’re seeing an uprising of joy and caring; something as equally infectious as the hateful, controlling rhetoric of the Trump-era Republican Party.
  I think (hope) people see the two options and are drawn to the joy. Being angry is exhausting.
  There is a lot of terrible out there we need to work together to solve. Some of it is sad, depressing, frustrating, wildly unjust-but we can be joyful in tackling these issues. Maybe not all the time, but then no one is ever one thing or one mood or one emotion. Nevertheless, a campaign of joy can make us realize there is indeed another way.
  Looking at Trump’s tragic demagoguery and seeing what’s going on with the Harris/Walz campaign , it’s not hard to believe more and more people are thinking “you know what, I want that.”
  So hearing PP using the same old poor-us, divisive, othering talking points begins to take on some of the same burden. It’s tired. It’s ugly. It’s empty.
  One can dream right?
  
  uprising of joy and caring
  Boggles me that people see Harris that way, but I guess things are just that bad.

People have been treating a Conservative majority as basically foretold for the last while, but the election is still over a year out. Personally, I've been much more reserved with my feelings about our current political trajectory. Recent events from south of the border should make it very clear that even a few months is forever in politics. We're not in what I would consider an ideal position, but it's much too early to assume the sky is going to fall.
- Polling is essentially meaningless until an election is called, and given none of the parties are making policy promises at this point it is more of a state of sentiment about the current government.
  I really hope that whoever gets elected this next election that they only get a minority so there is at least some chance of ensuring they don't do anything too extreme.
  
  That’s not entirely true
  Polls still predict how people will behave, but there is a lot of room for events to happen.
  If you properly weight your polls with probability of outcomes, it’s useful. That’s not easy though.
- Trudeau is our Biden. He's an old news incumbent and he's got to go if we want any chance of beating snide Skippy. Trudeau cannot possibly have missed the way Biden bowed out and made way for new blood, and how that has energized the left and moved the needle with swing voters.
  The same thing could happen with the NDP, if Singh would bow out. Of course, if they both pull a Biden, it might split the vote even worse. So, I guess we'd better hope that the NDP ditches Singh, but that Trudeau, unable to bear the thought of living in an empty house without Sophie and the kids, desperately clings to power like a madman.

I can’t wait for Pierre Poilievre to lose.
- Imagine him losing to an AOC type. 💦
  
  I know she's not exactly progressive like AOC is, but I'm still baffled as to why the Liberals aren't running Crystia Freeland.
  While there she attracted the attention of the KGB, which tagged her with the code name "Frida", and Soviet newspapers, who attacked her as a foreigner meddling in their internal affairs over her contacts with Ukrainian activists. The KGB surveilled Freeland and tapped her phone calls, and documented the young Canadian activist delivering money, video and audio recording equipment, and a personal computer to contacts in Ukraine. She used a diplomat at the Embassy of Canada in Moscow to send material abroad in a secret diplomatic pouch, worked with foreign journalists on stories about life in the Soviet Union, and organized marches and rallies to attract attention and support from Western countries. On her return from a trip to London in March 1989, Freeland was denied re-entry to the Soviet Union. By the time her activism within Ukraine came to an end, Freeland had become the subject of a high-level case study from the KGB on how much damage a single determined individual could inflict on the Soviet Union; a 2021 Globe and Mail article quoted the report by a former officer of the KGB, which had described Freeland as "a remarkable individual", "erudite, sociable, persistent, and inventive in achieving her goals."
  Nenshi for the NDP would be excellent, but I doubt Alberta will let him go.
  EDIT: And ladies, I am so, so sorry about the gender gap there. Jesus Christ.
- I hope not! He’s way too old to get voted out and have to figure out how to get a job and take care of himself like an adult. You can’t just throw a grifter off the public teat like that! The poor little landlord might starve!

- Fascism does a really good job speaking to the anxieties and insecurities of men. Even young men. Especially young men.
  Anyone who doesn't see the warning signs is either historically or willfully ignorant.
  
  Anyone who doesn’t see the warning signs is either historically or wilfully ignorant.
  Which is why it's so embarrassing -- we live in the information age and these people are still falling for tricks from hundreds of years ago, despite being told specifically this would happen.

Even dullboy o'toole had more charisma than Squinty McProudBoy. Squinty's claim to fame is his "base" of racists, misogynists, white supremacists and assholes.

Sooo, I guess Canada really just wants to get railed by a bunch of rich pricks. Even across age, education and social class the CPC is the preferred party, with the only disparity being between women and men. I am no expert on women but I can tell you for sure that most men have tribe-brain and Poilievre knows it.
- I want the NDP. I don’t want diet maga lite.
  You can see how quickly their house of cards is collapsing down south. We need a smart woman to be in power here as well (of course that lets out the Alberta premiere).
  Fortunately I’m an educated male who can think critically. Nobody I know who is well educated wants CPC in power. They have no plan, they just slam others when questioned.
  
  Freeland isn't a dummy, not by any stretch, but she's also been Hillary'ed over the last several years and would be glass-cliff'ed if she ran. After that, the LPC bench is thin.
  The NDP has a similar problem: they've spent the post-Layton era chasing donation candidates (which is why get Singh instead of Angus) and their bench is thin, too.
  The CPC, curiously, as a relatively strong bench, mostly because they're packed to the gills with backstabbing business grifters.
- Honestly, men should not be allowed to vote.
  
  awwww, fragile conservative men can't take a joke, but it's not a joke when they fucking say it,

Key takeaway, just over 1/3 (38%) of Canadians support the Conservatives. Not a glowing endorsement. We really need to be rid of FPTP so that we can get a government that actually reflects the will of all Canadians.

Won't matter since people are just voting con because they're tired of Trudeau
- But if you had any intention of voting Trudeau, wouldn't your protest vote go to the NDP?
  It's a MASSIVE right-wing stretch from 'Trudeau Sucks' to 'So let's elect Pierre Poilievre.'
  
  They voted Trudeau in past elections, but now they're ready for a change and theybdont think they'll get that voting NDP.
  I am actually pretty (relatively) happy with Trudeau but he needs to pull a Biden or it will be PP in office
  
  You would think, but the NDP are seen as "unelectable".
- That can be fixed, using Biden as an example.

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