Nebraska US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills
Nebraska US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills
Jessica Burgess pleaded guilty in July to providing an abortion after 20 weeks and tampering with human remains
This was before they changed the law to disallow abortions after 12 weeks. This also is not exactly a case abortion advocates want to fully stand behind. She was like 28 weeks along and the mother ordered the pills saying they were for herself. She coached the daughter on how to take them and the daughter was happy to take them saying shit like she could not wait to wear jeans again. They then burned the stillborn and buried it in a friend's yard. Most of the case is about improper disposal of a body.
I'm very pro-choice but the daughter should have been the one consulting a doctor to get the pills and they should have worked with the city/county to properly dispose of it.
59This also is not exactly a case abortion advocates want to fully stand behind.
Fuck that. Women have bodily autonomy. Period. No "but", they just do. None of your things to consider matter at all except that a law which criminalizes women's bodily autonomy at 20 weeks forced them to take medical risks they shouldn't have had to take.
4You won't ever get a majority of the population to agree to this view. If you hold staunchly that all the way up until 40 weeks women should be allowed to abort, you will lose at least 75% of the vote. At some point the fetus is developed enough we have to consider its life, regardless of its current location.
I think we could push viability as a compromise for everyone. That's around 21-24 weeks, depending on what is considered acceptable potential life chance. Conservatives will say that's too developed, some progressives will claim your view, but I think most would at least compromise that if we could safely take the baby out, that should be the legal option at that point. That also gives the mother a lot of time to consider her options.
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Seems like a good trade off. 2 years in prison < 18 years in prison. Anyway, fuck Nebraska.
47Let's not forget that this is because Meta gave away Facebook messages that they thought were private. Do not use Facebook messenger! Or SMS!!
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This is where the real injustice comes in.
24Very interesting, though I wonder how much that would've actually changed ... anything?
7I don't know if it would have change anything, but it did violate a legal right for a spurious reason and that is an injustice regardless of her sentence.
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WTF USA? SMH
19This headline is a bit misleading. She didn’t just help her daughter have an abortion, she helped her have a late-term abortion, and then burnt & buried the remains.
“According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.”
17What a horrifying hellscape Nebraska must be for a mother and daughter to feel the need to go to such lengths for healthcare.
28This is what happens when states destroy access to reproductive healthcare. Desperate people do stupid things.
10I totally agree with you!
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I really wish people would stop using the phrase "late term abortion". It's not a medical term. It's a political one designed demonize those who almost solely terminate for medical reasons.
2How would you describe this then? She had an abortion well past the pre-roe cutoff of 20 weeks, which is where it starts to become possible for a fetus to survive outside the womb with substantial medical help. No where has it been mentioned that there may have been a medical reason for the abortion.
To be clear, I’m pro-choice. However, there does come a point in a pregnancy where it becomes morally wrong to terminate if there is no danger to either the mother or the fetus, or the fetus is unviable. Neither of those situations were present here, and she was “well past 20 weeks”, though it’s not listed just how far past she was. So what would you suggest would be the proper terminology here?
Edit: according to CNN, she was around 28 weeks, or 7 months pregnant.
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She should cross the border into Colorado, Polis would shelter her
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