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Sid Meier was apparently baffled by the decision to launch Civilization 5 without Genghis Khan: 'Sid said, What?'

www.pcgamer.com Sid Meier was apparently baffled by the decision to launch Civilization 5 without Genghis Khan: 'Sid said, What?'

Civilization 7 will include leaders who are considered "critical" to fans, but we don't have a full list yet.

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Can it still be called "Sid Meier's" Civilization when he doesn't even know what the game ships with?

Don't get me wrong, I've been playing since CIV2 and it's been pretty good, but that just strikes me as weird.

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- I hear John Madden also has very little input into his games. What has this industry turned into???
  
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  Don’t even get me started on Tom Clancy.
  
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- ego move by a manager
  
  imagine if todd wanted his name in front of every bethesda title
  
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  Well, Sid Meier did originally design Civ, Todd Howard was "just" a director / producer.
  
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  Iirc it wasn't even Meier's idea to put his name on the games. He was a well known figure in the simulation game genre so when his company was making Pirates! the other co-founder, Bill Stealey, had the idea of putting his name on the box because it was a big departure from their usual games. The idea worked and they just started using his name for every game.
  
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  It's not like Bethesda called their games "Fantasy" - "Civilization" is such a generic name that I respect putting the author's name before it to avoid any confusion.
  
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  A game by ~~Hideo Kojima~~ Todd Howard
  
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The second big change is that when you transition from one age to the next—there are three ages, Antiquity, Exploration, and Modern—you'll pick a new civilization to lead, one that was at the height of its power during the age in question. So you might go from controlling Rome in Antiquity to Mongolia during the Exploration age.

Well, I still play civ4 bts, never went beyond civ5 and unless I update my hardware probably won't try civ6 and civ7 anytime soon.

But what you mean, you'll change civilization midgame? I can't wrap my head around this concept. Or does your civilization simply change it's name?

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- So in Civ 7, leaders and civs are separated. At the start of the game, you'll pick a leader who you play as throughout your run, as well as a civ.
  
  The civs available to you depend on the age, so if you start in Antiquity you'll have appropriate civs from that time period to choose from. When you get to Exploration, you'll get to choose another, and so on.
  
  You'll keep everything, it's just that your name (I think) will change, and obviously, each civ will have its own strengths and weaknesses, different units, art, etc. I hope that, since they're now tied to their age, it'll allow them to really focus on what made them unique within their time period, rather than having to make the Roman Empire make sense in the Modern age.
  
  I'm not sure what Civ 7 specific features there are, but I'm sure their options will depend on your chosen civs as well.
  
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  That makes sense, I guess. Like to choose a skillset for the next epoch, if you're right. That sounds kinda cool. Almost like a skill tree for your civ, only that it comes with a civ name change.
  
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  It also seems like there's some sort of unlock mechanism for what civs will be available for you to choose from in the next era - you'll assumably have to do certain things in an era to unlock specific civs for the next era
  
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  I wish they had just abstracted and genericized the civilization characteristics into things like "nomadic horse lords" or something rather than my game having a "Greek -> Mongol -> American" continuity which is very immersion breaking.
  
  Yes over the course of history regions could be ruled by different civilizations but that's by forces like conquest or cultural domination which are literally in the game I'm playing, so why does time passing or a technology unlock turn me Japanese
  
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- I'm pretty sure this is just an idea they took from Humankind, another Civilization like game that came out a bit ago.
  
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- Seriously, wtf?
  
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- There's a board game called History of the World that does something like this, where score is tracked per player, but you play as a new civilization every turn. (And, depending on the draw, may wind up fighting against your previous civ.)
  
  It's a good game, but, yeah, it's hard to imagine that working in something like Civilization.
  
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But if you give players what they want, how will you sell it to them later?

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- I hate that this is probably true. Good thing they released it for free
  
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Concerning when read along with this.

Was it merely done to kiss up to China?

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