We have an influx of Liberandus here on lemmygrad too. Let's deprogram.
4I think on Lemmygrad we should really be proactive with banning.
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Who made this?
1For the new users here, I recommend reading the following thread to understand why lemmygrad users take the stance they take: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/418335
Is there a particular reason why many of y’all here seem to support Russia in this conflict? It seems to me that Russia are the aggressors, and I kind of understand why Russia invaded Ukraine (strategic location and reduce their border with NATO), but isn’t it still the case that Ukrainian and Russian citizens shouldn’t have to suffer and be annexed to Russia? I’m asking this question in good faith, I’m still a baby socialist.
In particular, I recommend @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml's comment in that thread.
I also recommend reading this post: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/687025 (Titled «A comment on the Russia/NATO war»)
1Wait. You guys spread putins propaganda? Rly?
0Nazis in Ukraine doesn't justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.
We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.
Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:
White ISIS might be just around the corner.
So what can we do? End the war.
Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.
3Ukraine has a serious Nazi problem. You're going to have to grow up and learn to deal with the real world.
3I think the first question you should ask yourself is why do you think Putin spreads propaganda, but the western media spreads the truth and facts?
2You're definitely not living in Russia or in one of the neighbouring countries, bet.
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Wait. You spread bidens propaganda? Rly?
1Well yeah I need these rubles to pay for my faux fur ushankas
1I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they 'only' run the propaganda for the National Guard isn't bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.
...And that's a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who's material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.
Finally, yes it's also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the really really far outer edge of the wrong side of it.
1You guys spread putins propaganda?
Western media used to spread Putin propaganda before February 2022 too, look.
1Listen Jack, there's no propaganda, anyway Cornboy war a bad hombre shakes hand of absent person showers nazis in money
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And then when you say you don't support Ukraine, you're the Nazi.
0And then you have PMC Wagner which is named after Hitler's favorite composer. Wagner, also the callsign of its founder Dmitry Utkin. Pictured here with a nice SS tattoo.
All big coincidences I'm sure :)
Edit: downvote away hypocrites :D
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you know it's complete bullshit when even the wikipedia article of the dude calls it out:
In 2016, Utkin was pictured at a ceremony in the Kremlin intended to honor the courage of military personnel and civilians, but he hasn’t been seen in public since.
3I ain't gonna cry for them, Nazi battalions shooting other Nazi battalions is just my stuff 🥰
1Sadly (for you) Utkin did not found Wagner...
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Lets destroy a sovereign country and annex it because:
- some people there may be nazis
- sudeten, oops, russian minority
- being pro-Amerikkka
- people there don't have any political will, motivation or identity so another country made them throw out their dictator
How do you even exist with yourselves. You are a joke.
-2of course, a nation is truly sovereign after a fascist coup planned and funded by a foreign government, this makes perfect sense
3Let's not kid ourselves, people, they are both nazi regimes. Russia is not the USSR, it is a mafia state. The existence of the Ukrainian and Russian governments is a crime against humanity, they are not our friends.
Instead of helping one side or the other, we should destroy them both. Putin and Zelensky should be hanged and their illegitimate fascist governments should be overthrown.
Once the Western thugs have dealt with either one of them. There would certainly be a in-fighting between these capitalists lusting after power and gold.
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