The blessed emperor, in his divine wisdom, cares not for your gender.
All are welcome to die for the glory of the imperium.
49No room for transphobia in the service of the Emperor, there's too many other phobias already. We need every soldier we can get.
44In the imperium, hate is a valued and finite resource. It cannot be wasted on petty grievances over gender. It must solely be used for the advancement of mankind, and the extinction of xenos scum.
34Y'know, I had a moment of reflection while reading some of the impressions people had about Space Marine 2. Found one specifically praising it because "it has no wokeness."
I don't get it... I mean, this setting is clearly a dystopian sci-fi horror where pretty much everyone is either an asshole, or cannon fodder, right? What the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c'mon...the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore... it's 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?
It's one of those situations when one realises they like the same thing a lot of very unpleasant people like. And even though the reasons for liking said thing are diametrical opposites, it still leaves one with that sort of... icky feeling... Speaking personally, I almost feel guilty for loving 40k when seeing how a lot of assholes genuinely simp for Big E's Genocidal Utopia...
32"it has no wokeness."
These sort of opinions should just be entirely ignored. They are from unserious people either celebrating or raging at imaginary non-problems. "Woke" in it's modern usage by right leaning culture war dorks is entirely undefined, from including PoC to acknowledging queer people exist.
So, I feel you on getting the ick from sharing the same space as these bigots, but don't let them take away hobbies from you because of their narrow minded hate.
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Totally agree with your comment though. F**k those idiots who say things like that (even if not serious).
2Thank you for the reality check, you're entirely correct! And, to be fair, the "other end" of the fanbase have so far been some of the most genuinely friendly people, simply excited to share the gloom and doom of 40k with anyone who's interested!
Couldn't quit even if I wanted to, my Pile of Shame makes sure of that...
13Yeah it's the same when you have a complaint that aligns with the bigots. Like the female custodes debacle. I don't care what gender the marines are, but I do think GW handled it poorly.
If they had just had... Idk the mechanicus find some relic that allowed women recruits to survive the upgrade to space marine, primaris, and custodes, and had them deliver a sick 'more bodies for the war' line, it would've been better.
Saying that does feel icky because there are people who are just against women being marines and custodes. I'm not. If GW did it better, I'd have nothing to say and the bigots would still be bigots.
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when seeing how a lot of assholes genuinely simp for Big E’s Genocidal Utopia…
Arguably, poe's law is driving a lot of that. I would think very few people actually think the 40k universe and its morality is good. I know me and my group don't think it's good, just entertaining.
10I truly hope you're right, and that we're just seeing a loud minority... Would be a pity otherwise...
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the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c'mon...the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore... it's 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?
tbf, I think you’ve kinda hit the nail on the head with that.
Why does it matter in 40k? It would just be irrelevant and therefore not worth mentioning or shoehorning in.
I know the whole “This games woke!” mob are obnoxious, but it does annoy me sometimes when there’s an irrelevant token character when the story doesn’t need it.
Do it properly or don’t do it at all. Stop chucking token characters into stuff just for mass appeal, it’s ultimately a disservice.
Make interesting original characters and stories that revolve around that, rather than trying to cram that into something else.
3Agreed, I don't want inclusion for inclusion's sake, either! It'd be like the current issue with movies being rebooted to be inclusive. Inclusivity's not the problem, it's that the stories themselves are both unfit and have grown stale. Make something new, make those characters actual characters, give'em their own history, make'em their own entities!
Late edit: to clarify, I still thoroughly believe there's no reason why we can't have diverse characters in 40k! But don't just shove'em in there for the sake of it.
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What the hell does it matter what gender said characters identify as? Why would it matter if we had all types of Space Marines (yeah, yeah, lore, yadda-yadda, but c’mon…the Rubicon Primaris itself contradicts a whole lotta lore… it’s 40k, its lore is as stable as melted cheese), or trans characters, or agender, or anything else?
Approaching it from the opposite direction, 40k is supposed to be a dystopia, why would you want gender equality and all that nice stuff in a dystopia, unless you thought it was dystopian?
0I have a single, objective reason: narrative integrity. To expand upon this, the more varied the people who are utterly suffering, the more it underlines and amplifies that suffering and the context which generates it. That should be enough even just from a literary perspective.
Also, edit to add: the dystopia in 40k isn't concerned with who you are, just that you accept full servitude to the Imperium. I honestly couldn't see most Black Ship attendants hating a trans psyker any more than a cis one. Nor would the Astra Militarum ever turn its nose on fodder just because one uses different pronouns.
And that's exactly the point! Let it be a fully inclusionary dystopia! Let the Imperium's complete and utter disregard for a person's individuality oppress everyone. This dystopia is literally religious cyberpunk, where they've replaced The Corporation with The Religion. And Big E didn't care who or what you were as long as you obeyed orders, that is clear throughout all existing doctrines across the Imperium's infrastructure. Everyone is meat.
7Approaching it from the opposite direction, 40k is supposed to be a dystopia, why would you want gender equality and all that nice stuff in a dystopia, unless you thought it was dystopian?
Representation is not about being moral, it's about being audience-inclusive. If there's no reason not to be inclusive of a sector of your audience, then refusing to do so simply makes large portions of the audience feel less welcome enjoying the work.
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The empire of man would not give a single shit, as long as you complete your duties.
If they could make female space Marines, they sure fucking would. More bodies to attempt the trials.
Suggesting the emperor couldn't hand genecraft female custodes is silly.
19the emperor is dead
3That's it, I'm calling exterminatus on this thread
5Kinda
Also, I'm referring to the time in the past when he set up the genecraft program
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this goes so hard, thank you~
12What was the line? "Trans women aren't really women"?
Trans women aren't really women...
Well...
-12Lol, this reads as the closed minded hostility of a trans person not wanting to hear truth. It is very symbolic of some modern internet echo-chambers like Reddit and Lemmy.
-14Oh I'm sorry. Is the grim dark universe too woke for you? With its literal hermaphrodite rape demons and masochistic elves? But Ya trans people getting represented is an echo chamber.
9I read the first words and thought: Fair enough it is a little extreme if you don't know what media is being referenced. Upon finishing I was less amused.
1On the nose, brother.
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