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eFuels pilot plant in Chile officially opened : wind energy enable the nearly CO2-neutral operation of petrol engines

20/12/2022 Porsche and international partners working with the Chilean operating company Highly Innovative Fuels (HIF) have started the industrial production of synthetic fuels.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2022/company/porsche-highly-innovative-fuels-hif-opening-efuels-pilot-plant-haru-oni-chile-synthetic-fuels-30732.html

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  • @HubertManne

    can we create wind and solar panels just from wind and solar panels (('s energy))

    PV (solar cells) : EROIs (Energy return on investment) between 8.7 and 34.2 were found ... meaning : yes ! ... they create much more energy than the energy needed for their production.
    it's all in here (also for wind thingy😋) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_return_on_investment

    • That is good but the specfic equipment needs to run on the energy created. Mining equipment and manufacturing. So if the mining equipment is all electrical then there will be loses in the energy harvested. As far as I know this is an open question. So theoretically the energy is surplus but can just the energy of the wind and solar completely power the equipment. Currently they do not as we use fossel fuel equipment. Of course the energy of the construction of equipment needs to be taken into consideration as well. Also manufacturing that uses massive heat tends to use fossil fuel. Don't get me wrong im not trying to disparage wind/solar. Far from it but last I knew we have not gotten to were we have unhooked fossil fuel from the process so currently it acts as a sort of energy multiplier where rather than burning oil for X amount of energy we can use it as part of the mining/construction process of wind/solar and get that multiplier fro eroi. this is why this article is big to me as its creating fuel which could possibly take fossil fuel out of the solar/wind creation process. at least I hope.

      • Reading, entirely, again, this Wikipedia article you can realize, they are discussing such inputs as steel, "mining equipment" or whatever. They also discuss why there has to be limits on the details of the calculation and why, despite such limits, results of the calculation are still valid.


        Technology benefits from simple explanations and sentences. Your comments are hard to read in a technical way.

  • Nearly neutral isn't neutral, and neutral still kills the planet. These stop gaps prolong a business division and profits at the expense of climate catastrophe.

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