How did this happen?
How did this happen?
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Maybe I’m not that smart, but shouldn’t we blame the fascists and the people who voted for the fascists for the impending fascism?
52blame the whole fucking electorate. buncha fucking clowns pissed off because eggs cost $5 or some shit. the fuck is gonna happen when there's tariffs on everything and no one working the fucking vegetable fields? what happens when the republicunts generate 8 trillion in new debt?
the fuck is gonna happen to the price of eggs?
21Turnout didn't change for Trump. In fact it was less than 2020. What happened was a repeat of 2016, this is the third time they put up an establishment candidate, when it's been glaringly obvious Americans on the left and right are tired of that. The DNC is going to eat a lot of the blame this time--if not the majority, there are hardly any excuses this time.
They'd rather have Trump than a non establishment candidate they can't control.
9You got 3.5 years to change that. Go.
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3 groups of eligible voters. Trump voters. Harris voters, and 3rd party/abstainers.
Yes, the first group to be upset with are trump voters. But largely they arent here, so discussion and memes focus on the other group, the abstainers.
8The phrasing I've settled on personally is "the only choices were Harris, Trump, or Either."
In a winner take all election, anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the winner.
6But largely they arent here
Nah, they're here.
3Largely
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This election has a remarkable ability to make people forget about the magic of Multiple Causes ™️
But it's of course overwhelmingly the nazis' fault, yes.
8There's plenty of blame to go around. One thing a politician needs to do is effectively sell themselves to the people who will be voting. Harris spent a lot of time selling herself to Republicans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-democrats.html
The people who voted for the fascists were always going to vote for the fascists.
I have no need or desire to argue with you about it. There is no end to people smarter and more eloquent than I who are explaining the exact same thing in more detail than I could, from Bernie Sanders to Rolling Stone.
7Harris spent a lot of time selling herself to Republicans.
I disagree completely, but who can say. She refused to kiss a woman on stage, so maybe you’re right.
0You don't really have to take my word for it, there have been articles about her courting Republicans for weeks. You are free to disagree, but she very explicitly did do so. The article I linked in the comment you replied to gives specific examples, but your search engine of choice will find numerous articles listing the ways in which she did so, often with video. It's not like it's some tinfoil hat thing, it was her very obvious strategy.
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Blame them and the fake leftists trying to pretend democrats lost for not being left enough. Both are responsible for the impending fascism.
4Who was running the Democratic side of the race? Centrist democrats, or leftists? Maybe try blaming the people who had any kind of power, rather than those of us who were pointing out all along what a shitty campaign it was from the outside.
4You’re blaming the leftists for not controlling the Democratic Party?
I guess? I still don’t know what leftist means here. Liberal is apparently an insult, no one admits to being a tankie, communists arent tankies, socialists are not anarchists who also aren’t leftists, and progressives apparently support genocide and hate trans people, I’m told? Neoliberal is - ? Corporate Democrats I think, or possibly nazis depending on what country you’re talking about.
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Or the genocide Joe/Harris or blue maga crowd.
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Sure, but what's your solution to that? What can Dems do differently next time that will stop the GOP cult from voting?
The answer is nothing, that's why they are a cult. Nobody can break through to the entire group, just trying to get through to individual members is difficult enough. The time to try and prevent the cult from rising was two decades ago. Now that it's here, our only option is to acknowledge its existence and fight it directly.
Blaming the GOP for running an effective campaign that motivated their cult to vote is how nobody learns anything. The Dems have to realize that they failed to run an effective campaign in opposition.
3I just think finger pointing on the left is dumb, especially considering we don’t have proper breakdowns yet. Nobody has any good data, they’re just restating their opinions as the reason we lost.
0The Democrats have tried the same shit for over a decade and you're saying we don't have enough data? People were calling out reasons before Harris had even lost and you think nobody has answers?
You lacking information doesn't mean the information doesn't exist.
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