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FBI Made 'Inappropriate Use' of Foreign Surveillance Program To Spy on Americans

reason.com FBI Used Foreign Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Program To Spy on Americans

A White House panel says the FBI's internal control over Section 702 databases are "insufficient to ensure compliance and earn the public's trust."

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I hope nobody is truly shocked by this. Outraged? Yes, but shocked no. The US 3 letter agencies have a long history of overreach. Our elected officials are complicit in this all in the false name of "public safety" and "anti-terrorism" when their is little empirical evidence to suggest either mission is being accomplished. Instead, we have agencies profiling Americans on a massive scale that would make Brezhnev of the USSR jealous if he were alive today.

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- Can't imagine how frustrating it must be to be Edward Snowden, give up a lucrative future in government work to do the right thing and put the word out, be hunted for the rest of your life by Uncle Sam. The collective response to your sacrifice was a big fat "meh"
  
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  Sadly, you would be correct. Edward Snowden sacrificed his life to help us only to be met with nothing in return.
  
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  All he wanted was to let people know. What people decide to do with the information is up to the people. He achieved his goals, it isn't his problem if people just ignore his message.
  
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  If his objective was to inform people, he at least succeeded with me
  
  I do my best to avoid things that were exposed, and it confirms not to trust our "safeguards"
  
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Every time a program like this is pushed through and people say that there are safeguards to prevent abuse, remember this. They claimed there were safeguards here too.

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- Always frustrates me when I hear about why we're so much different to Russia/China because we have laws and safeguards. They mean shit
  
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Stuff like this always makes me wonder how good the surveillance state actually is. I mean, a bunch of hillbillies planned an insurrection on Facebook for fucks sake.

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- Well like always the “hillbillies” are probably hand in hand with the insurrectionists.
  
  “Some of those that work forces. Are the same that burn crosses” - RATM
  
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  Also,
  
  Zack de la Rocha sometimes changes the lyrics in the second verse from "Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses" to "Some of those that burn crosses are the same that hold office" when playing live.
  
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  Yup, no doubt.
  
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- I think that's a bit misleading, TBH. The attack was fairly well planned, and far from just a bunch of hillbillies. Yeah, they were a part of it, and part of the plan, but summarizing them as the brains behind the coup attempt is undercutting the risk of it being tried again.
  
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  Which just furthers op's main point, really. I mean it was fairly well planned in a fairly overt fashion, why weren't they prepared?
  
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  Definitely wasn't saying they were the brains. But the message was communicated to them via Facebook. They actively participated in the conspiracy, which took place on Facebook. My point is, the data was there, and it wasn't acted upon for some reason.
  
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- Well that was good for propoganda purposes. Gives them an excuse to get more intrusive.
  
  Youll notice that on Jan 6, none of the people in the Capitol Building had guns, and also note the video of them being waved in, and also note that they weren't immediately forced out.
  
  Jan 6 glows like the sun.
  
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  "Every time someone makes me look bad by agreeing with me in public, it's because they're feds."
  
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In 2021, for example, the FBI ran more than 3.3 million queries through the Section 702 database, according to a government transparency report.

3.3 million spies of the Patriot Act. It's set to expire this year, but they'll reauthorize it. No one is strong enough to throw the ring into the fire.

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Have we learned nothing from Edward Snowden?

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Whats with all the goatse inspired article images lately?

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- Now I can't unsee it.
  
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In other news; water is wet.

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I expected more out of the people who do this sort of shit all the time and never face consequences, much less meaningful reforms.

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I like how it's suddenly a problem only when they do this to Americans for a change.

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- FISA stands for "Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act." By definition, it's only supposed to be used in the surveillance of people foreign to the U.S.A. The FBI's job is domestic law enforcement. It's the FBI's job to investigate crime involving U.S. citizens.
  
  Officially, the NSA does not spy on U.S. citizens. You can believe whatever you want about whether it actually "unofficially" does, but unless you do a lot of business overseas, chances are high that Google and Amazon and Facebook all have collected way more personal information about you than the NSA has.
  
  Even if the NSA does surveil U.S. citizens, it can't use any information it obtains in any legal or political way, or in any otherwise public manner.
  
  If a U.S. citizen has communications with a foreigner, however, it is possible that those communications will be surveilled. The NSA does spy on foreign citizens, just like foreign intelligence agencies spy on U.S. citizens. If you're a U.S. citizen communicating with a foreigner who's being surveilled, then your communications with that person are going to be surveilled as well.
  
  But again, it's not the FBI's job to police international crime -- that's the job of the CIA. As the article describes, this is why it is a bad idea for the FBI to be using FISA intelligence. This is why "it's a problem when they do it to Americans."
  
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  Interesting, thanks for this context! Then if I understand correctly FBI spied on a USA citizen but in an international matter. So it's not really relevant that one party was a USA citizen: what is relevant is that since the other party wasn't, so it wasn't FBI's job. Did it get it right?
  
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- I like how when American laws are broken in America it becomes an issue for Americans
  
  Ftfy. Everyone is spying on other countries all of the time; the US is just one of the most capable in that capacity but not different in its aims.
  
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  Of course they do. It just baffles me how it's always a sudden outrage when they happen to do to "us" what they normally openly do to "them" which is considered totally fine. Not really specific to FBI and USA, except they are the biggest in this game, as you've mentioned, so we hear mostly about them, and maybe China or Russia.
  
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I wish they could catch all the traitors of the country who raided our capitol. Fucking idiots, all of them deserve jail. I hope they use FISA to find them and the foreign money as well. Most of crooks in the republican party have connections to foreign governments.

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Hold on. Let me put on my shocked face

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Section 702 should either not be renewed at all, or renewed with restrictions to require a warrant for US person searches. The FBI has shown they cannot handle this power as is.

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Edward Snowden sold out to Russia and their genocide.

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I am a foreigner in the US so I don't have any protection from spying anyways. Serves the US-americans right to be spied on as well.

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- And we have no protections from your government, so I guess it serves you right you have no protections?
  
  You raise a good point, but the way you raise it fosters a race to the bottom.
  
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Abolish the FBI.

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- Better yet, abolish the state.
  
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  Just abolish the world, fuck it
  
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