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Glyphosate [Roundup], an herbicide linked to cancer, found in 98% of Ecudorian youth: study

www.salon.com Glyphosate, an herbicide linked to cancer, found in 98% of Ecudorian youth: study

Scientists also found high amounts of the insecticide DEET and the herbicide 2,4-D in adolescents' urine

The popular weedkiller has also been found in 80% of Americans' urine, according to a 2022 study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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There is not going to be any rational discussion in this thread.
The article is far too shit. There is nothing there. No evidence. No nothing. It's just anger bait.
I can add a lot of (correct) information here, but I will just piss people off.
Let's be better.
I thought salon was better than this, but I guess we can't escape enshitification.
- If it helps, I can rationally discuss glyphosate. Plant geneticist here.
- You called it. It's just went downhill as I scrolled.
  
  It's just so hard to resist. Everything is wrong. It's like it's designed to make everyone angry.
  Well... That drives engagement.
- I don't know why you thought salon would be better. I was literally about to say they're the liberal equivalant of Fox but I just looked it up and even Fox is actually ranked higher on factual reporting than Salon. A closer comparison would be that they're the liberal equivalent of Breitbart.

Detectable is not the same thing as being found at a level known to be harmful. The concentration of things matters.
- ~~"it's totally fine that you were all exposed to cyanide, it's nowhere near toxic levels! You're overreacting." - Some guy working for the people who exposed everyone to syanide~~
  I urge all the people somehow disagreeing with the spirit of this statement to go ahead and drink some cyanide.
  
  You realize tons of regularly consumed foods have cyanide in them, right?
  
  There is not a single substance in existence that cannot kill you at high enough doses. There is a small amount of methanol in fruit juice. Cyanide in the pits and seeds of many fruits, red kidney beans contain lectin and must be cooked to reduce the concentration of that substance until they no longer cause sickness. Vitamin A in small doses is necessary for health but high doses can straight up kill you. Table salt (Sodium content) is also necessary but high doses can raise the risk of high blood pressure, heart attack and stroke. Fluoride strengthens enamel in small doses but causes a debilitating bone disease that results in bone deformities at high doses. "The dose makes the poison" is a common saying because it is true. I know people want to be able to categorize substances into toxins and not toxins but thats not how the real world works. The real world is complicated.
  
  You're producing and exhaling cyanide right now, you buffoon.
  
  Your body literally produces cyanide all the time, it's just really good at metabolizing it quickly before it builds up to a harmful concentration... so yeah, great example.
  https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/ac980498b?casa_token=boif8fhideiaaaaa%3akcfhnwkqe8mtgropqjnkyldk9ie09zz9gdtcgrgq2p5af5yh9xnsshwpxy_ie6h4wb8yrvaagkwtvxjz
  
  Never mind that enough foods with "safe" levels of glyphosate contamination combine to form carcinogenic Voltron.

Can we stop spreading this bullshit anti-glyphosate propaganda? educate yourselves
You wanna know what else has been linked to cancer, and with actual good evidence for it? Hot water. source
Go touch grass and worry about the things you should really worry about, like the fact your food system is set up for collapse with 2 decades and you'd better hope big Ag comes up with something brilliant cuz otherwise you're in the shit unless you're at least partially self-sufficient.
- Liar.
  Their own documents proved that RoundUp causes cancers. Review them for yourself.
  What you think they paid out $10,000,000,000.00 in settlements because of something you have figured out, but they can't prove at trial?
  No, it's that their shit causes cancer and they knew it and sold it anyway without a warning.
  https://www.wisnerbaum.com/documents/monsanto-documents-chart-101217.pdf
  The lawsuits are not about glyphosate, they are about RoundUp™.
  
  I'm not a liar, you just have a very simplistic view of things.
  They knew glyphosate (aka RoundUp) causes cancer and did not disclose it. This likely led to some severe exposure cases and thus they had to pay out (although I strongly believe prison sentences should also have been part of it). This is just as terrible as if I sad sold you lye and never told you it is corrosive, thus endangering you.
  None of this means you cannot use lye for making pretzels/ uncloging your sink. For those uses it is safe. Same for Glyphosate.
  I'd clarify I'm not Bayer fanboy - genetic modification for the sale of a herbicide is a poor use of modern genetic technology. But I cannot deny the measurable climate benefits of using it (in terms of CO2 emissions and soil degradation) source
- F’real. I’d like to know what alternate timeline has more deaths: the one where, going forward, we continue our modern farming practices as-is; the other, we ban them and revert to only organic farming.
  I’d bet cancer deaths per calorie of food produced would be roughly the same…organic farming being both less efficient and not a guarantee in itself that pesticides/herbicides are safer for humans. And l, being less efficient, I’d wager we’d hit famine simply by not having enough good farming land to meet dietary needs.
- Did you focus group that hot water line?
  Wait, is this your focus group? If so, it sucks.
  
  Do you wanna present an actual argument or just whine because reality doesn't suit you?

if you don't like a post, that's what the downvote is for. this ain't some paid moderator board. volunteering?

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