6个月前

I found this graphic on r/fediverse

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This graphic is where I found out about lemmy and brought me here!

I would drop the "no censorship" "free from manipulation" and "true freedom of speech" none of those are technically true and the later is associated with extremist rhetoric.
- Yeah a lot of Luigi sentiment was toasted directly by admins, so, you know
  
  Specifically in .world, which is the instance they are advertising.
- Tbh i am not a fan of any of those points:
  Free from Manipulation: Malicious actors can still make dummy accounts to influcence scores and there is also nothing inherent in the system that truly prevents manipulative content
  No Censorship. No tracking: Censorship can still happen on a instance basis through bans or defederation, althought those are also necessary tools for other reasons. And no tracking imo also is missleading, simply because everything posted here is public (including up/downvotes), there simply isn't true privacy in a public forum. It's better in that it doesn't follow you around to other websites and such, but still putting it so difinitive is wrong.
  True freedom of speech: Kind of overlaps with the "no censorship" part i think.
  What the fediverse is to me is:
  Diversity and freedom of choice
  Resilience against central control

Love the style. Makes me think that we should start a repository with original files that people can download and iterate on + share with their communities. Do you know if something like that exists / would you be interested in creating and promoting a repository together?
I made a graphic of my own quickly last night but I definitely don't have your talent for graphic design lol

OP, I know it's not your graphic, but there's a typo towards the top ("redifine" should be "redefine") if you want to pass it along
- That was the very first thing I saw and it instantly made me trust the rest of the information significantly less.

I agree with those statements if you're just a consumer. However, if you're some sort of content creator, the story is slightly different: your audience might be still solely on the platforms you're trying to avoid.
Example: I'm a hobbyist photographer; I have like maybe 1000 people following me in total across Facebook and Instagram. I signed up for Pixelfed a few days ago; haven't explored much yet, but I'd be surprised if I see even one person I know there. Even if I start posting on Pixelfed exclusively, my photos will probably still end up on Facebook and Instagram, possibly with zero credit. Maybe if I start posting to Pixelfed in parallel and slowly move away from Meta, I don't know...
- More problematically, nobody was getting paid to Reddit, But Instagram, YouTube and TikTok are some peoples income, and they really don't have any strong inclination to leave paying platforms. A lot of the truly wild viral content is coming from people trying to make a living out of it.
  We are going to have true social interactions on the fediverse. But without algorithmic discovery and paid performers, a lot of people aren't going to come over. And honestly, I'm just fine with that.
  I do wish we could get a solid foot in the Facebook door. There's an awful lot of semi-private data there that people aren't getting paid to post that could be free of big media pincers and wallets.
  
  The other side of this is that click through rates on legacy social has cratered. Almost certainly due to bot driven inflated engagement metrics.
- For creators, the best choice is probably to post parallel, distributing your content on as many platforms as feasible. That way, you reach even people who only have one of those, and also lower the migration barrier for consumers.
- I was talking to a friend who posts on IG, and has gotten a Pixelfed acct in the past week. They were saying, as we hiked in the wilderness under cloudy skies, less than ideal conditions, that I was the only person they knew on Pixelfed. A few hours later they txt’d me the handle of another friend of theirs, who is on Pixelfed. 100% increase in a few hours. Don’t be afraid of Pixelfed. Jump in with both feet! Be afraid of your Meta incarceration. Join us! We’ll have a great time! @ForestOrca@social.photo
- This platforms are really new and it's hard to switch a social media account when you have a following. You have to decide by yourself if this is a fight you are willing to take. I think the best way to do it is to slowly switch and post both places for some time which might be a long time still.
  This also happens for the consumers, if there's no content to consume it's hard to switch. That's why we need content creators to also slowly switch. I try to open first the alternatives and if I find there's not much content I check back on reddit but I try to not use it if I don't need to. This takes more effort than just ignoring the whole fediverse thing but I think it's something worth fighting for. With the current situation I think it has become very obvious that social media (or to put it in another way: how humans communicate with one another) shouldn't be controlled by a private company.

lemmy.world

it would be really nice if Lemmy.world closed their registrations and ability to create new communities so other instances could catch up...
- link to https://join-lemmy.org/ instead of https://lemmy.world/
  
  Experience from 12 days ago from someone using join-lemmy: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35480016
  In summary: it was quite messy, they ended up on a unmaintained, slow instance and had to change
- Their failure to do so is inherently their statement to the decentralised nature of the fediverse, that being „Fuck you people, we are the next reddit, and y'all are just trash”.
  
  Heh Heh, Oh wait you are being serious huh
  So you DON'T want Lemmy to be as popular/big as reddit ??
- that would just confuse ppl trying to sign up, theyd think the whole forum is closed
  
  Yes, it would, but it would be a good thing.
  As a metaphor: you don't make Linux the next big thing by copying windows, because it is not windows. The same way you can't become the next reddit, if you just copy reddit and hope all the people won't be confronted with the decentralised nature of the fediverse. You will loose just about all non tech savvy people if (or more when) .world will be banned because they will think that Lemmy as a whole is now banned. And even if they don't get banned by america, if the mods on world turn out as fascists, or if they turn world into the next reddit and start milking their userbase for money, those non tech savvy people will not know that other instances exist, so they will once again just live in their parallel society on world.
  If you want Lemmy to be a centralised website, just go to reddit.
- No it wouldn't be really nice, plus Beehaw, ShitJustWorks, Blahaj are big enough
  
  No it wouldn’t be really nice, plus Beehaw, ShitJustWorks, Blahaj are big enough
  Top 20 most active communities say otherwise: https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active

What do you guys think of Pleroma/Akkoma ?

Alas, people are flocking to that garbage corporate owned bluesky instead of using mastodon :(
- Honestly, BlueSky is a lot better than the mainstream social sites. I'm certainly not mad about it. Not to mention
  X -> BlueSky -> Mastodon
  is a lot easier for some than
  X -> Mastodon

I had not heard of loops.video
- https://loops.video/
  
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953314
- Just use peertube

Not sure if LW is the best choice as for some people it's very slow: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36299751
- Works great for me!
  
  Europe or America?
- Works smoothly for me.
  
  Europe or America?

I'm all in for fediverse.

Should be "no known corporate" tracking or something along those lines.
By interacting with social media, you are creating a trail, such as I do now.
But in the fediverse, no known entity is granted access to that data as a business model or known force.
- Yeah, it's all publically available content. Anyone can scrape it if they're determined enough.
  It's why I'm wondering why there isn't a stronger desire within the fediverse to have some of it end-to-end encrypted. PixelFed is useless to me, because I'd only want to share photos with people I've added.
  So far, I have not yet found a suitable non-abandoned project.
  Futo Circles, please revive 🥲

And post banned on that subreddit for mentioning a r*ddit alternative in 3... 2... 1...

Loops will own all your content you post there

This graphic is simple and great. This is what most people are going to want to know.

Fixed it!
- While it is no longer linking to lemmy.world of all places, I think it's best not to link to a specific instance but to instead link to https://join-lemmy.org/
- I Dont get all the people downvoting, .ml is literally the best instance to filter out all the Nazis coming from reddit and twitter
  
  How about the instance bans power trips? https://feddit.nl/post/16246531
  
  Yeppp.

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