11 mo. ago • 95%

In the Company of Culprits

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I mean, the argument from idiots will be that they're pleading guilty because the deep state will disappear them or some crazy bullshit.

Trying to use logic to argue with those people is like playing chess against a ~~pidgin~~pigeon. They'll knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, then strut around like they won.

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- I find the socratic method sometimes works. You ask them questions and let them argue with themselves.
  
  But as you say, arguing with pigeons will only result in shit in your hair.
  
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  Wow, pigeons really taking a beating in this conversation.
  
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- I thought that Trump drained the swamp so that they couldn't do stuff like this?
  
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  So, I've never liked that phrase. What happens when you drain a swamp? You remove all the stagnant water and dead-zones. But what is left behind? He said he would drain the swamp, not remove the scum.
  
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  This is what I really don't get, what did he do while in power for 4 years? Surely if he was voted there to drain the swamp and then didn't, it makes him in ineffectual leader, so why vote for him again? Get someone else in to drain the swamp and this time do it right.
  
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  He drained it so he could fill it with his own swamp.
  
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- Yeah, we need to get over the fantasy that any facts that come out of these investigations will sway anyone about trump.
  
  The fact is that anyone intelligent who supports him already knows he's a crook, and just doesn't care, because his policies benefit them (for now), and the rest will just swallow whatever blatant lie trump feeds them
  
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- You're thinking of pigeons, not pidgins. They're surprisingly very different.
  
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  Damn it, and I just listened to a review podcast where they were roasting people for misspelling it.
  
  In my defense, my predictive text had it as an option instead of the right one.
  
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- They're pleading guilty for the same reason anyone does. The prosecutor guaranteed a lighter sentence for pleading guilty than if they went to trial and lost.
  
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- Ignoring the actual trailer-load of evidence the Feds have on those two, they are pleading guilty because they saw what happened to Tarrio & Stuart Rhodes.
  
  The Feds aren't even done with Rhodes yet, they are appealing his sentence because it isn't long enough for them.
  
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Not trusting the government, the courts, the mainstream media, etc. is baked into their belief system. It carries zero weight with them to say that a court convicted someone.

As Jonathan Swift said: "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired", or in more modern language, you can't change someone's mind using reason, if they didn't get there using reason in the first place.

IMO, the only thing that will change people is if it stops being a social identity they can cling to and feel proud of, and instead becomes one that's a source of shame and loneliness. It might not really change their minds, but it might make them be less vocal about it. And, maybe eventually, they'll find a new group they can feel part of, but hopefully one with less awful, destructive beliefs.

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The thing is, millions of people have been training for this since childhood. An all-good and all-powerful being would totally intend for some children to get bone cancer, because uh... we just have to have faith in his plan. Terrorists, torturers? Part of the plan. Pregnant 10-year-olds? Believe it or not: plan.

By comparison, now that Trump is one of their idols, the OP doesn't even register. Oh yeah it was definitely a conspiracy to make him look bad, or actually they're all being coerced by liberals, people identifying as trans, and/or China, or it's a test of faith, or it's ok when they do it because uhhh Hillary Clinton...

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"Pass the Cheesebro"

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