"Rules for thee, not for me" - An ML and I both accuse each other of not being leftists on lemmy.ml. As always, the ML gets away with it, and the anarchist gets (temp) banned

What makes this worse is the obvious disrespect from Cowbee of my request to disengage. I made it very clear I didn't want to argue. These communities have absolutely no standards of behaviour for members of the in-group. Which is exactly why I don't engage with them in these communities.

Well, also the fact that I hate being constantly called a liberal for not repeating Capitalist Putin's latest botfarm talking point. Talking to these people is an exercise in keeping my calm while I am constantly insulted. No thank you.

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Maybe there's more context here that I'm missing, but from what I can see...
YDI/BPR
If you don't want to argue, stop typing or block them. Real childish pot stirring behaviour going on there. You can't try and get the last word in by saying "don't respond to my criticism."
- I don't want to argue, but I do want to get the last word in, and I also want to explain that my reason for not arguing is that I know Cowbee by reputation and I refuse to be sealioned and trolled by him. I'd be very happy to say my piece without any sealioning and trolling, which is what I tried to make happen, but alas, once again he used the old "Why won't you talk to me :(", just like my ex does when she's been drinking.
  
  Those are essentially mutually exclusive...
  If someone wants to argue with you, and you want to disengage, you have to accept that you're not going to get the last word in no matter how many times you say "don't argue with me" - cause you can't control what they can say afterwards.
  This is especially true, and comes off as childish, when you're the one that baited that argument in the first place with "your piece".
  
  This reminds me of the behaviour in young siblings where one will initiate, and when the anticipated response comes, they launch in to "Mom, they're touching me!"
  You clearly do want to argue, you just don't want to be argued back with. Either that, or you're just trying to provoke a response.

He didn't accuse you of not being a leftist, he accused the Democrats™ of that.
Your comment there as well as your description as an anarchist seem to imply that your are not a Democrat yourself but you merely want them to win instead of Trump (lesser evil and all that).
You apparently called them a Trump supporter (which is calling someone not a leftist as you admit you did).
You feel disrespected by people arguing with you after you argued against the original post. Then you come here and say the quiet part loud.
I don’t want to argue, but I do want to get the last word in
... YDI

Ignoring the points of the argument, you have to tell them to "disengage" with nothing else posted in your comment to them. I have a troll following me around every time I talk about a certain topic and the only way to get them to stop (for a brief moment) is to say "disengage." I've made it clear I don't want to talk to them anymore, multiple times, but still I have to type "disengage" every time they reply to me the same exact bad faith shit they always say.
If you don't want to deal with them altogether, you have to consider blocking them. The troll I've been dealing with has tried to egg me and others into blocking them, they celebrate each time they get blocked. So I also understand if you don't want to block them, they are miserable people who enjoy feeding on negativity. The fact trolls roam lemmy can dampen your enjoyment, it really does suck.
- To elaborate: https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-disengage-rule
  
  Interesting. What's the value of an explicit "disengage" compared to just not replying?
- Yep, this is correct. I couldn't just leave the implication that I'm a Trump supporter uncontested, that was slander, they nullified the disengage rule by doing so. I'm fine with not continuing a conversation people don't wish to continue, but not with people trying to use the disengage rule to hide behind personal insults towards me.
  
  If you don't want people to call you a Trump supporter, you should try not calling people liberals when they argue we should vote against Trump. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Oh hey, it's me. In my opinion, if you want to disengage, you shouldn't also lash out and expect to not get called out for that final lash. If I just left the accusation of me being a Trump supporter open just because you said you didn't want to argue, then that can be seen as admission of being as accused, ergo I responded to that specifically rather than continue the conversation you disengaged from.
In the future, if you want to disengage, then either just say something like "disengage" or don't respond. If you insult, you aren't disengaging, but inviting further engagement despite your stated wishes to not engage. It's like throwing a sucker punch then saying "no punchbacks."
- Okay, fair. I'm fine with having been banned. You should have been banned too.
  
  For what?

Honestly you probably deserved that one. I think a ban is a bit much but it is only 2 days and you were goading

Why even waste time on lemmy.ml?

If you haven't blocked .ml yet at this point, that's probably on you

Similar to @Enkers@sh.itjust.works, I suspect I'm lacking some context here, but based purely on what I can see in this post, you came across as rather childish. I'm inclined to say YDI/BPR.
While I do agree that rule should have applied to Cowbee too, that doesn't give you carte-blanche to do the same.
Also, confronting someone you know to be a troll in an intentionally inflammatory manner, then getting annoyed that they chose to argue with you is like waving a red flag in front of a bull and being surprised it charged at you...
You baited that argument, so I don't have much sympathy for you in that regard.
- I don't follow, where is the implication that I'm a troll? OP's complaint was that me as an ML was left alone while they as an Anarchist were punished (though there was no indication that they were an Anarchist, just being pro-dem).
  
  I wasn't being pro-dem, and you should give other people the benefit of the doubt. Someone having a problem with your ML talking points doesn't mean they aren't a leftist. You and the other .ml regulars pull this shit constantly. I've seen y'all do it a hundred times. You are mean and exclusionary to anyone who disagrees with you about the election, and then you cry foul when it's done back to you, so clearly you know it's not nice behaviour.

Lay with the tankies, get the tracks.
- Fight pigs, get dirty.

There sure is a lot of arguing in these comments from someone who said they didn't want to argue.
- They don't want to argue but want to always get the last word in 🙃
- Well we're not on .ml right now, so I'm fine with arguing

Forget it, Jake. It's .ml.
If you legit don't want to argue, just disengage. No one owes you silence.
I think this one might legit be a YDI, or close to it.

Ahhhh, if they'd picked a different rule to cite, it would be a YDI because the comment was borderline against rule 1. But if the mod can't be bothered to cite the right rule out of two rules total, then they're half-assing the job.
I dunno if it's a power tripping bastard. Maybe a LFB? Lazy fucking bastard? Definitely bad moderation though.
Edit: also, you double posted by accident
- I did? I can only see one post from my instance. Both from my profile and from the community. Might be a federation issue?
  My comment was against instance rule 2. Which to me suggests an admin must have done the ban. I hate that the .ml admins just number rules and don't say whether they're community or instance rules. It's not transparent to the people who are banned, unless they put in a bunch of work to figure it out.
  I intentionally broke rule 2, because .ml users do it all the fucking time. Cowbee does it in this screenshot. We're both accusing each other of not being leftists. He doesn't get punished for it. Why? Because he's an ML and I'm an anarchist. ML users always call anarchists liberals, and it's never dealt with. So I treat them the same way, and take my knocks for it. This post isn't about a ban. It's about the rules being selectively enforced. It's about the ban Cowbee didn't get.
  
  I mean, if you intentionally broke the rule, what the fuck are you doing posting it here?
  
  I intentionally broke rule 2, because .ml users do it all the fucking time.
  If I'm reading this correctly, it looks like you were fishing for a ban that could be seen as a double-standard so you could make a post here.
  Moreover, you never labeled yourself an Anarchist, and I haven't been hostile towards Anarchists, I myself used to be one and am sympathetic despite now being a Marxist-Leninist. Additionally, I never said you weren't a Leftist, and your label of me as a Trump supporter happened entirely unprovoked.

Link to thread?
- https://reddthat.com/post/36238758/16989551

YDI.
If you post a claim or an accusation on the Internet, you're expected to back it up. If you don't want to back it up, then don't make any accusations in the first place.

PTB, not applied consistently. But I also don't see this happening here in this case, so a dash of YDI.
All I can suggest is judicious use of the block user option.

Yeah they really do not like it when you call out their game. It's because they actually think they are being clever and that everyone can't already see they are just Trump trolls.

PTB
.ML is cancer on a good day, literal chinese propaganda on an avg day.
Block the whole instance, nothing good comes from it.

That’s pretty much what you can expect from .ml. Check the modlogs. SO many comments are removed that don’t even violate the rules.
Additionally, I’ll bet that it was the Jack-booted authoritarian admins that removed you and not even a mod. The mods there are powerless. Admins overrule them all the time.
You’re better off blocking that shithole.

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