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The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
I'm not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don't like that.
However, some of you whipper snappers don't know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.
Edit: added "allegedly"
- I'm on ML because it is the dev's instance, that's it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.
  
  .ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don't mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO
  
  Yeah but I'm not Canadian
  
  Neither am I. However, I have seen one or two people on ca that claim it's an instance "for Canadians", but that isn't the majority view.
  Canadian news is mild compared to other instances and their admins rock. They just did some good hardware updates and the instance is fairly reliable. 10/10, would recommend. The author of my client (Connect) is also on that instance, and I contribute a bit to that community as well.
  I could see some downsides if the occasional post in French would piss you off.
  
  As a Canadian on .ca, I'd say it was made for Canadians, but others are more than welcome. It's kind of like a nice park. Sure, it's ours, but you don't need our permission to come hang out.
  And now I kind of want to try out Connect.
  
  It's "for Canadians" in that if you're Canadian and joining Lemmy, lemmy.ca ought to be your default choice, but we welcome anyone that isn't a shitbag
  
  Yeah, it's a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world
  
  That was the state of things back in '23 when the first migration happened
  
  Yeah, i was being facetious. I was here. lol
  I originally joined World like everyone else but pretty quickly left for Mander just to spread the load.
  Almost two years ago now!
  
  I left .world for sh.itjust.works....eyeing db0 tho
  
  I think both are cool instances.
  
  As a casual lemmy user... how do you switch instances? Download your data, create a new account, upload your data?
  
  Just create a new account. The other account will continue to exists and so its posts. Does it matter to transfer them?
  
  Dunno. Still getting used to federated communities like this, guess I assumed it would be more complex than that
  
  You could do what's discussed in this thread https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985
  I just delete the old account and create a new one on the other instance. I have no interest in keeping a comment history. The internet and it's communities are a void for me. My social interaction, what little there is, is handled in meat space.
  
  Just don't post anything anti China or Russia and you'll be fine.
  
  I am pretty anti-tankie. I'm even a mod at onehundredninetysix. The censorship of some words is kind of funny though.
  
  Or swearwords, or any word that is partially composed of a swearword. Or talk about people that are pro-China or pro-Russia engaging in any kind of bad behavior in other places that have no relation to ML.
  I'm sure the list continues, but I blocked them a while ago.
  
  Lemm.ee we tell you about my instance then... :)
- Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).
  They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and "just ask questions", like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
  These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
  And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such 'questions', even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.
  Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don't concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
  But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
  But well, I also don't concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don't have to agree with everything they think, just because I'm on their instance, so I don't care nearly as much as some other folks here.
  
  That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.
  If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.
  I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.
- Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.
  
  Why is your username red? What sorcery is this?
  
  I’m an admin for your instance, and you are using voyager (:
  
  Eww and also creepy
  
  Mmm?
- At this point I'm not sure if they are tankies, or whether they've just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.
  
  https://lemmy.world/post/27513594
  https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
  https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
  
  This makes sense.
  I do think "tankie" is the wrong word, as "bootlicker" sounds more apt since Russia hasn't been communist since '91.
  As in, these devs are definitely authoritarian, but communist? Absolutely not.
  
  They're definitely all about the communism too. I answered a post asking for any surviving examples of communism with "I think Cuba counts" and got banned Rule 1 IIRC.
  
  That's... distinctly NOT being about actual communism... that's about being pro tankie propaganda...
  
  I'm an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies
  
  Nope, clear definition:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
  Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
  
  I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.
  
  I don't think you know what communism is supposed to be if you think it is as evil as capitalism... (note I said supposed to be, not what ever language an authoritarian decides to couch their takeover in)
  
  Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.
  
  Good to know, I totally thought it was a pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev's use of tanks, and I rarely see people talking about that so I was very confused.
  Note: this comment is dripping with sarcasm
  
  pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev's use of tanks
  Funnily enough, didn't it come out two weeks ago from JFK papers that the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters of the Hungarian Revolution was on CIA bankroll? Wow, tankies have been vindicated etymologically? Who woulda thunk
  
  So does that mean the Hungarian revolution was engineered by the CIA? Like by the US government? I think that was suspected for a long time, but also that justifying the tankie view ignores a lot of nuance imo. Does "america bad" really justify the use of tanks? Was the Hungarian revolution really fascist even if some of the leadership was? Or was it simply an anti-authoritarian struggle for freedom and self-determination?
  Idk, I'm lacking in a lot of historical knowledge.
  
  The Hungarian Revolution didn't need to be fascist to justify the use of tanks, but yes, the fact that Hungary suffered a US-supported coup is worthy of tanks. The horrors lived in Eastern Europe as a consequence of the dismantling of socialism in the name of "freedom" are unspeakable. Millions of lives lost to unemployment, alcoholism, lack of healthcare, suicide and a myriad more of reasons. Those don't matter I guess, since they're victims of capitalism.
  "America bad" by itself almost justifies the use of tanks. Joining the Western World in imperialism, unequal exchange and ultimately genocide, is a crime against humanity, and history books of the future will reflect this. History won't be kind to those who exploited the billions of people of the global south for the selfish gain of a few capitalist overlord.
  
  K I gotta bow out of this one, we're getting into territory and history on which I am not educated or confident enough in my knowledge to discuss, also it's a very controversial topic I don't want to discuss on a public forum with people who don't know me.
  Sorry, I acknowledge that I asked a bunch of questions you are just answering lol. My fault!
  Cheers, hope you have a lovely evening!
  
  While those event was certain to cause some resentment of USSR/Russia, that hatred needs to persist long after Russia gave all of those countries liberation peacefully, and that all lies and diminishment becomes morally justified.
  Neo-Tankyism is all reality opposing maximization of Russophobia and Sinophobia for CIA/US empire subjugation of those who could benefit from non-US subjugation. It is a projection in protecting their programming no matter how evil the US is, or actively directly attacking them, because their programming has no factual defense.
  
  Authoritarianism sucks, no matter what country is doing it.
  
  Specifically, those who also ignore the ccp, putin, hamas, and hezbolla's evil and lies.
- My words. We arent done justice
- I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.
  Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an "old account". All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.
  
  Yeah I made this account with my reddit username. Made another account that I'm building up with a dif username to be more anon and less attachment so more easily abandon able
- Tankies aren't real leftists. They're morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they'll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they're the authoritarian "left"... as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority...
  
  The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.
  You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.
  
  No, it's really not that way, unless you're a guilt-by-association simplifying dolt. One can be a communist and not like how China is ran nor have to defend it.
  
  In the same vein, one can criticize the actual way China is ran, rather than running with every western lie you’re told about China.
- I am confused now. I was just called a "leftist Nazi" and "liberal right wing nazi". Lulz.
  My point is that I think the terms "leftist" and "liberal" have been redefined again, just as a heads up.
  
  It's a weird situation. Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight over whether or not you're allowed to say retard, or the n word (hey look I must be one of them). Identity politics. Really unimportant nonsense.
  They also successfully got the right to worship billionaires.
  Not to get too tin foil hat, but at this point I think it's safe to say reddit was a psyop.
  
  Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight
  I think this goes all the way back. Leftist groups have been competing basically as long as there's been a right and left. Going back to the OG "Left," the French Revolutionaries, you see the Jacobins seize power from the monarchists, after which they start to eliminate competing revolutionary groups who have some ideological differences. In Russia, you've got the Mensheviks being eliminated by the Bolsheviks, and then the Trotskyists being eliminated by the Stalinists.
  Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other's throats.
  On the other hand, I think the right keeps succeeding precisely because of identity politics: they unify under an identity instead of an ideology, or I guess maybe more specifically they succeed at turning identity into ideology. Identity politics are pushed by the right as a way of forming out-groups so that the majority can remain unified and always have a "them" to distract from what the ruling "us" is doing.
  
  Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other's throats
  I've been aware of this since i learned just how fractured religions get when they get enough followers.
  The human race is just not good with handling competing ideas and seemingly never has been.
  I think that's why great unifying events/people captivate so many of our narratives
  
  Those terms don't have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.
- The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
  Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.
  
  I have not verified the validity of those claims. I'll edit the post to reflect that.

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