Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe
Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe
Parents told the high school "believed" the deepfake nudes were deleted.
Teen boys use AI to make fake nudes of classmates, sparking police probe::Parents told the high school "believed" the deepfake nudes were deleted.
"...and their principal, Asfendis, has vowed to raise awareness on campus of how to use new technologies responsibly."
Surely all the teenage boys will understand, and only use the technology for wholesome purposes.
121There is absolutely no way anyone could have possibly seen this coming.
105How do you stop this tho
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The other comment about how this has been happening for a long time (with low tech methods) is true, and it's also true that we can't stop this completely. We can still respond to it:
An immediate and easy focus would be on what they do with the images. Sharing them around is still harassment / bullying and it should be dealt with in the same way as it currently is.
There's also an education aspect to it. In the past, those images (magazines, photocopies, photoshop) would be limited in who sees them. The kids now are likely using free online tools that aren't private or secure, and those images could stick around forever. So it could be good to highlight that
- Your friends and classmates may see them, and it may harm their lives. The images will likely stick around. Facial recognition algorithms are also improving, so it's a legitimate concern that an image stored on a random site somewhere will be tied back to them.
- The images can be traced back to the creator and the creator can face repercussions for it (for those without empathy, this might be the better selling point
76Your point 1 seems to forget something important: kids are often cruel, and bullying is frequently the point. So long term consequences for their classmates can be an incentive more than a deterrent.
23To your first point, much to the benefit of humanity, and counter to popular belief, the internet is NOT forever. Between link rot, data purges, corporate buyouts, transmission compression losses, and general human stupidity, large swaths of the internet have vanished. Hell, just Macromedia selling out to Adobe ended up causing the loss of most of the popular internet games and videos for anyone in their mid to late 30s at this point (you will be misses Flash). The odds of these specific AI-generated child porn pictures surviving even in some dark corner of the bright web are slim to none. And if they end up surviving in the dark web, well, anyone who sees them will likely have a LOT of explaining to do.
Also, for the commentary of the websites keeping the images. That is doubtful, beyond holding them in an account-bound locker for the user to retrieve. They don't care and too many images get generated every day for them to see it as more than reinforcement training.
Speaking of reinforcement training, they may have been able to use Photoshop's new generative fill to do this, but to actually generate fresh images of a specific peer they would have had to train a LoRA or Hypernerwork on photos of the girl so the SD could actually resolve it. They weren't doing that on an AI site, especially not a free one. They were probably using ComfyUI or Automatic1111 (I use both myself). They are free, open source, locally executed software that allow you to use the aforementioned tools when generating. That means that the images were restricted to their local machine, then transferred to a cell phone and distributed to friends.
15I think we should pressure EU to make it such that any online AI photo generating website also uses AI to make sure what was asked is not illegal.
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My niece had this same issue a few years ago but with Photoshop. It absolutely ruined her. Changed schools multiple times (public and private) but social media exists so all the kids knew. She ended up getting homeschooled for the last 5 years of school as well as a fuckload of therapy. She came out the other side okay but she has massive trust issues and anxiety
50Man that's awful, poor thing.
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Ai porn to come w this disclaimer:
33In Spain it happened recently with some 12y/olds...it created a country-wide debate, and as always, did not lead to any regulation. Hopefully the EU will do something
22This can be prosecuted with existing CP laws.
4Wait When did Spain join the EU?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
This October, boys at Westfield High School in New Jersey started acting "weird," the Wall Street Journal reported.
It took four days before the school found out that the boys had been using AI image generators to create and share fake nude photos of female classmates.
Biden asked the secretary of Commerce, the secretary of Homeland Security, and the heads of other appropriate agencies to provide recommendations regarding "testing and safeguards against" producing "child sexual abuse material" and "non-consensual intimate imagery of real individuals (including intimate digital depictions of the body or body parts of an identifiable individual), for generative AI."
"New York State currently lacks the adequate criminal statutes to protect victims of ‘deepfake’ pornography, both adults and children," Donnelly said.
Until laws are strengthened, Bramnick has asked the Union County prosecutor to find out what happened at Westfield High School, and state police are still investigating.
Until the matter is settled in the New Jersey town, the girls plan to keep advocating for victims, and their principal, Asfendis, has vowed to raise awareness on campus of how to use new technologies responsibly.
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11Pictures? We are on the edge of believable videos with AI produced voices and sounds - made on normal computers. Need to clear a few more hurdles in 3D AI modeling, VR, and haptic feedback before this trend reaches it's obvious conclusion.
Wonder what crime it would be called if you create a haptic VR double of someone unconsensually and don't distribute it?
7Haptics are never going to be like in Ready Player One. It's crazy to me that anyone believes the tech will be capable of that. Like how diminished is one's sense of touch that one could believe it could be fooled by fancy rumble packs? Touch is so much more complex than that. Piezoelectric motors vibrating are not going to be able to be able to fake solidity. Nuts to me people think that.
3Might be possible with big gel tanks that people get submerged in, so the gel would be somehow hardened or softened with precise and weak electric currents, emulating textures.
But imo, it's more likely that it'll happen through some brain interface and the whole experience will basically be a very lucid dream.
Lots of time until that though, unless we destroy ourselves first. At least I doubt it'll happen during my lifetime.
4Like how diminished is one’s sense of touch that one could believe it could be fooled by fancy rumble packs?
Have you ever used a macbook trackpad? The click is just a fancy rumble pack. We can use electricity to make glass opaque. If the only thing stopping a person from living in a VR pod is haptic feedback, it'll be solved in a fortnight.
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Thanks authorities, for taking seriously the safety of our students in the classroom. I also saw a kid eat glue.
4Given that AI images and media can't be copyrighted, does the nominal "subject" have any recourse?
4There's the matter of consent, and it might legally be along the same lines of giving someone a roofie so they don't remember in the morning.
2That just means the person that used AI to make something can't claim those rights for the generated content -- other laws still apply.
Everyone else still retain rights to their likeness in most places, and I'd imagine that still stands in this case.
0Historically, I know that a big way that the dissemination of these sort of images was stopped was by using copyright law (because they're using the likeness of the subject). I'm worried how that will work if there's no copyright law to fall back in.
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If you're making porn of real underage people, I have no problem with you being put on the pedo registry.
If no serious harm was done, I'm fine with convicting them and then doing full expungement after 5-10 years.
-5And youre proof that the pedo registry shouldnt exist as is.
Teenagers being sexually interested in their peers is not pedophilia, and you want to ruin a decade of their life guaranteed, with the """"""promise""""""" of an expungement that would never actually happen thanks to the permanent nature of the internet for it.
This misuse of AI is a crime and should be punished and deterred, obviously. But labeling children about to enter the world as pedophiles basically for the rest of their lives?
Youre kind of a monster.
26What about the fact that the girls who are victims of something like this will have to contend with the pictures being online if someone posts them there? What if people who don't know that the pictures depict minors re-post them to other sites, making them very difficult to remove? That can cause very serious employablity problems. It doesn't matter how open minded people are, they don't want porn coming up if someone googles one of their employees.
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I'd argue that someone making porn of someone their own age is not pedophilia.
12They're still making porn of a minor. That is harmful to them and it enables any pedophiles who find it.
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That's an easy enough judgement when the perpetrator is an adult. What do you do when the perpetrator is a minor themselves? As they are in this article.
Of course their still needs to be some sort of recourse, but for every other crime there is a difference between being tried as a child or being tried as an adult.
I find it tough to consider myself.
4Considering the consequences for a high school student if porn of them gets circulated, I'm fine with putting them on the registry. Expungement can happen later based on the aftermath. Teenage girls have killed themselves over this sort of thing.
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