No bar exam required to practice law in Oregon starting next year
No bar exam required to practice law in Oregon starting next year
Law graduates will be able to become licensed in Oregon without taking the bar exam, starting in May 2024.
So they're lowering the bar, then?
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After law school, candidates will spend 675 hours working under the supervision of an experienced attorney and create a portfolio of legal work that bar officials will grade as an alternative to the traditional bar exam.
So, still basically a test, but now more like 4 months of underpaid/free labor.
110The bar I took cost something like $2000 including two months of prep classes on top of law school. Then more money for a hotel stay so I could take a two day test. I would have preferred 4 months apprenticeship paid or no.
26You think travelling to and from unpaid work for four months is better than paying $2k and a hotel for one night?
Average 21 working days a month, commute at $10 a day which is a very low estimate for the US, and its $840 + 2 months of lost wages.
At minimum wage that’s $2320 before tax… but we’re talking (hopefully) intelligent people who can earn significantly more.
At $20/h we’re looking at $6400 in lost wages by comparison to the old system you have described.
This is bad for workers as its putting a greater financial barrier on entering the profession.
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That's still lower than what's required to do hair/nails here in Oregon. My buddy had to drop $25k on some shitty for-profit school to become a barber.
16While your friend’s story is BS and a reflection of some absurd laws, I assure you law school is longer lol
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If it’s paid reasonable (let’s say, paralegal level? I dunno) then I see no problem.
Some firms- especially the small ones- might do this. Most won’t and that’s the problem.
5A practicum is required for some professions, like professional engineering. The standard for engineering is four years with a bachelor's degree and passing two tests. You can read engineering in a couple of states without going to college, but it takes 15 years experience and you still need to pass one of the tests.
4Come to the UK where it's now going to be two years of qualifying experience on top of exams in a highly competitive field working for minimum wage if you manage to work 40 hours and not more.
To get to that point that you actually start on the qualification can take a few years post law degree and nowhere near all law graduates get to that point.
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After law school, candidates will spend 675 hours working under the supervision of an experienced attorney
Just as we're relearning that apprenticeships are a possible alternative to college, the law comes along and says "¿Por que no los dos?"
54Lol, that's cute, say doctors everywhere. With the 8 years of post secondary education and 3-8 years plus of 80 hours a week apprenticeship after that. They figured out doing both long ago. And grad students well on their way too with post doc positions.
13Don’t we have proof that you can’t learn while sleep deprived? And that doctors spend years learning on 4 hours of sleep?
Sounds like they spend the same amount of time learning.
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No way that could ever go sideways… 🤦
11Guess I can start a new career next year!
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\I'm a lawyer!\
5What wrong with that, they’re just “practicing” law!
3I lawled!
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Lionel Hutz was a man before his time.
3Sinking to Wisconsin level low quality.
3Was that a swipe at the new Supreme Court majority?
-1Not an intentional one, but sure, why not...
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-10That's a weird attitude to take. Do you specifically hate poor people?
19If we want a reasonable effort from them, we might want to not overwork them so hard. Maybe just, y'know, hire more.
Frankly though, if we're going to make them basically do paid residencies now, why don't we make them work as public defenders? Would solve our problem, and they're young, fresh grads, so you don't have to pay them as much yet anyway.
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