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Spanish rightwing politician shot in face in Madrid

www.theguardian.com Spanish rightwing politician shot in face in Madrid

Alejo Vidal-Quadras, formerly of PP and Vox, reportedly in stable condition after attack by masked gunman

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Sorry to hear he’s in a stable condition.

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- Classy
  
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- Jesus dude. I know right wingers can be absolute cunts but wishing death on them? Really?
  
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  Yeah.
  
  I don’t tolerate the intolerant.
  
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  The only good fascist is a dead fascist.
  
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  The last time they seized power in Spain, the people had to explode them out of office.
  
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  no not wishing death just disappointed to see him alive
  
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They are a little ahead of schedule if our goal is to revive last century's events exactly 100 years afterwards, the civil was was from '36 to '39.

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- Better start now though, before Germany can bomb the shit out of your cities to help the fascists.
  
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  Germany is trying hard to keep the schedule of having a 3rd Reich revival party for the 100 year anniversary, unfortunately.
  
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- any% speedrun.
  
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  any% speedrun spanish civil war franco ending
  
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- the events that led up to the civil war started in '32 though
  
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- Count the years from the beginning of the revo to the civil war. Count the years from then to 24 and reflect in America’s devolution.
  
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I don't want to condone violence, but I feel like Spain knows a little too well what happens when we let fascists get comfy...

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- Accepting violence as a valid political tool for anything other than an absolute last resort is the exact thing that leads to complete and utter chaos. You have to keep in mind that your side is probably not the only side with guns, and those on the other side are also telling themselves that there are plenty of examples of what happens when you let communists get comfy.
  
  Now, I would obviously say that one of these sides is much more in the wrong, but that doesn't change the fact that, unless you want a politics of everyone shooting at each other, political violence should essentially always be condemned, even if it's against your political foes.
  
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  That pacifistic stance is based on ideals, but ignores the reality of history and politics. Not everyone shares those ideals, nor are they objectively right. Violence is the only good tool against fascism. Where it fails to stop it, non-violent means would also fail.
  
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- I said it eleswhere but this assasination attempt is almost certainly not related to spanish politics. The guy is retired and hasn't been in office since 2014. He still is active as a lobbyist for the ‘National Council of Resistance of Iran’ and ‘European Friends of Israel’. He is also considered a terrorist by the Iranian government. So if this is politically motivated, it's way more likely related to the current events in Israel.
  
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So to get this straight: An advocate for the democratic movement against the religious fascist regime in Iran, who was officially declared a terrorist by the iranian regime, was (almost successfully) assassinated and the people in this thread do not condemn or even celebrate it, because he was an elected far right politician almost ten years ago.

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- @Drama_durch_Lama @gigachad yep pretty much. Just because you dont agree with someone's politics doesnt mean its oke to cheer them being shot in the face. The only time thats oke is during a war.
  
  I'm not to familiar with spanish politics so I will refrain from commenting on it. In my home country far right politicians from 10 years ago would be normal rightwing today, policy wise that is. We had a far-right politician here who got shot and murdered 20 years ago. Today he'd be far left.
  
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I refuse to feel the same way about bad things happening to bigots as I would if they happened to better people.

The insistence that anyone should is misguided at best and abusive at worst. It's okay to have different opinions based on people's words and actions. That's not prejudice. It's just regular judice.

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How do you shoot someone in the face and he survives ?

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- You got a lot of face that's not load-bearing.
  
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- Shooting someone in the face and them surviving would depend on a bunch of super unpredictable factors. Like, the type of gun and ammo used, the distance of the shot, the angle, and how quick they get medical help.
  If it's just a graze or if the bullet somehow misses the major stuff in the face like the brain, that could up the chances of survival. Plus, having top-notch trauma docs on hand could make a huge difference. But for real, it's a roll of the dice situation and totally not something to try to vibe with.
  
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- It's not like 100% of the face is some sort of instakill zone
  
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  Moment of silence for all who died after popping a pimple 😔
  
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- Permanently Deleted
  
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- Real life is not a video game, headshots don't automatically kill you. People can survive all kinds of weird incidents and likewise die to things that don't seem all that dangerous, like slipping in the shower
  
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  Phineas Gage had a iron bar blown through his skull by an unexpected dynamite detonation leaving a hole that a person could reach through from each side and touch their fingers on the inside, and he lived for years afterwards and held jobs and everything.
  
  Then again, John Ritter died when his aorta just spontaneously unzipped inside of his chest. The human body is wild.
  
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- A 22 is like an angry BB gun
  
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- I feel like the obvious answer here is that getting shot in the face doesn't necessarily mean getting shot in the brain, even though that is rarely survivable as well.
  
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- Remember LA Confidential? Same thing.
  
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Jesus Christ political violence is not a good road to go down on. Hopefully things won't escalate

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This is the best summary I could come up with:

A Spanish rightwing politician and former vice-president of the European parliament is reported to be in a stable condition in hospital after being shot in the face by a masked gunman in a wealthy Madrid neighbourhood.

El País reported that Vidal-Quadras was in a stable condition in Gregorio Marañon hospital and was being treated for a wound to the face.

Spain’s acting prime minister, the socialist leader Pedro Sánchez, conveyed his shock and sadness at the attack.

Sánchez moved a step closer to another term in office on Thursday after his socialist party, the PSOE, won the support of Catalan separatists by offering a deeply controversial amnesty for those who took part in the illegal and failed bid for regional independence six years ago.

The proposed amnesty law has been fiercely condemned by the PP and Vox, who see it as a cynical move to allow Sánchez to remain in power.

“The infamous pact … that will crush the rule of law and end the separation of powers has been agreed,” he wrote on X, formerly know as Twitter, on Thursday morning.

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If Spain can manage this with such a low gun ownership rate, certainly the US could figure it out with shootings happening every day anyway, no?

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- Huh? Can you rephrase please?
  
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- The politicians in the US are generally too terrified to appear in public.
  
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Violence against elected officials is not compatible with democracy. To those cheering at this act of violence: you are as violent and authoritarian as the people you loathe. Shame on you.

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- Hitler was elected.
  
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- He is not a currently elected official. He hasn't been in office since 2014. He isn't even running for any office. He is retired and "active" as a lobbyist for the 'National Council of Resistance of Iran' and 'European Friends of Israel'.
  
  While no motive has been established, I doubt it's related to spanish politics since he is basically irrelevant there. If the attempt was politically motivated, it's way more likely to be related to the current events in Israel and Gaza. Or his general stance on the current Iranian government. He is considered a terrorist by the Iranian government.
  
  So there is no threat to democacy and people cheering at this are just happy that a shitty person got hurt. Which still isn't the best mentality.
  
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- yeah if they don't die it's not democratic
  
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Wow, that's too bad. Anyway, who wants some pizza?

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