Pro-AI mod and self-proclaimed 'communist' got mad for being downvoted.

I can't even imagine the mental gymnastics required to be both "pro-labor" and "pro-AI". I mean, yeah I'm all about workers rights...but imagine how much money my boss could make if he just replaced us all with robots?

So in an ideal world we would have ai/robots doing labour jobs, while humans are free to do what they want and enjoy life without the wage slavery to survive...
But we do not live in such a world and instead, ai is doing all the creative fun bits and humans are loosing their jobs and not getting any support to live... 🙃
That's a clear strawman, irrespective of how you feel about the topic. The pro-AI left position is that opposing AI is trying to futilely treat a symptom when one should be fixing the root cause of capitalist exploitation, or in other words: "All your problems with AI can be solved by overthrowing capitalism". If you disagree then disagree with that position, not a strawman you made up.
- All your problems with AI can be solved by overthrowing capitalism
  Overthrow capitalism and then I'll stop complaining about AI, then.
- It's not really, because the "AI" people have gievances with in context is the LLMs that are being shoved down everyone's throats by every silicon valley giant, with literal trillions of dollars invested in them. Very, very not left wing. I'm left wing - that money can be MUCH better spent elsewhere.
  When people complain about AI evangelists they're complaining about the people who fawn over the aforementioned tech giants, wholesale theft of training data, and enshittification of all platforms by AI slop - not 'AI as a concept', so in other words, you're very much crafting a straw man of your own there.
- The pro-AI left
  There is no such thing as "AI". And most of the "left" in this context is not actually left.
I'm fairly sure doing mental gymnastics and hypocrisy are fairly popular these days. I can come up with a bazillion of other topics where people like to do it. And it's often both sides, and the people interested in the truth and facts are a bit more rare.
Same thing here. It's easy to have a strong opinion and to vocalize it loudly. But I have zero information whether this is legit or someone went through 20 posts and downvoted someone because of a personal vendetta. This could be a warranted ban, or not.
I have a hunch though, because I know how that mod moderates. And it's often because of zir personal agenda.
- But I have zero information whether this is legit or someone went through 20 posts and downvoted someone because of a personal vendetta.
  Is there really a difference between downvoting posts that show up in your feed and downvoting posts in a shitty community?
  I fully admit that if I see a stupid looking community I might click on it and downvote a bunch of posts on the first page that appear to be spreading misinformation or are malicious trolling. Then I skim and if they are mostly downvoted it gets blocked. Sometimes I do the same with users to see if they are shitty overall vs had a bad comment.
  As an extreme example, if I downvote a bunch of posts and comments by racists does it really matter if I stumbled across individual posts or comments in the All feed vs looking at a community or user as long as I am doing it because of the content and not their username?
But don't you get it? Once capitalism and its shackles are overthrown, AI will not be a problem. It will be a tool for communist utoparadise. 🫠
- AI consumes more resources than Bitcoin, at this point. We are accelerating our own demise, all for the spectacle of watching a computer hallucinate on command. There is nothing more decadently bourgeoisie than that.
I think "pro-AI" is an overstatement for one comm about generated art. They just want to enjoy the art without the drama.
- Maybe the comm needs a better name than "leftymemes" if that's what it's for 🤷‍♀️
- That;s a great way to put it.
  Its like denouncing all of reddit because of one subreddit (not saying you shouldn't denounce reddit).
- .dbzer0 is an explicitly pro-AI instance. It isn't limited to specific comms, it's every single comm, AI images are allowed untagged and criticism of them is banned - unless that comm has an explicit rule against AI images, and when I asked a mod (Unruffled) for a list of comms like that, they responded by mocking me.

AI Evangelists are cringe people.

I saw some freak at a prostest passing out flyers saying AI was sentient and we need to give it legal rights.

These people are delusional, incapable of living in reality.

That's what happens when you let AI talk for you, draw for you, speak for you, and even think for you.
- Modern "AI" doesn't think ... but then neither are the goons promoting it so rabidly, so...
Do you remember #freesydney.
Those people were delusional.
You're exaggerating, right?
Right?
Damn, that's off the deep end.

Yeah the mental gymnastics of some of these ai moderators is hitting Reddit level of cringe. Downvoted and blocked some ai slop communities that came across my timeline and had one butthurt genius block me from a few places they mod.

Ai bros are just the worst insecure shitheads out there. Absolutely worse than crypto bros ever were.

LOL before you mentioned Crypto I was going to say that they are just like CryptoBros. Do you think that AIBros are worse?
- They are absolutely worse. Ai bros have this huge self righteous ego “it’s just a tool” while dismissing all the environmental damages, loss of human made creativity and it funneling money away from creators and into greedy CEOs pockets.
  At least the crypto bros stay in the financial sector, Ai shitheads are out claiming it’s the “next ai revolution” on every damn topic.
  Even worse are the Ai apologists saying it’s a capitalism problem not an Ai issue. Yeah like you aren’t using the tools of capitalism to give them more power you idiots. You are actively making it worse. You aren’t some resistance fighter stealing the means of production. You are just a cog in their machine.
They get defensive about their virtual girlfriends.
- Lol so true, I bet db0 himself has an AI girlfriend, maybe an AI boyfriend too.

I blocked the whole community after seeing bullshit like "no rule against AI means you must imply that any criticism of AI is against the rules"

I have been debating whether or not to block the entire db0 instance because of its pro-AI stance. It's weird to me that a self-proclaimed anarchist instance is so pro-GenAI garbage. Even the reasoning of being pro-AI because it's anti-copyright is dumb as fuck.
- Yeah they see themselves as “seizing the means of production” but they aren’t doing shit. You aren’t a freedom fighter using Ai. You are just another tool in their machine and you are giving them more power.
- They aren't pro corpo Ai.
  They're very much against the mass scraping/ddos ai companies are doing.
  Hell, db0 contributes to !techtakes@awful.systems a lot.
- Everyone should block that corporate bootlicking pro-AI shithole, they're bad news and nothing good can ever come of them.

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Uhhhh lemmy.dbzer0.com is the pro-AI instance.
- Yes, but also quite anarchist(at least from what I have seen) and this is more abuse of power in my opinion.
- Like rain on your wedding day.
- also quokk.au
Those fascist pigs accused me of being a troll and banned me from there simply for crossposting this thread there
- expires: in 14 days
- Ok, very disappointed by dbzer0....

LLM generated polandball comic

WHY

i literally just made one in like 5 minutes, and i didn't even need a good or interesting idea. i put in the minimum amount of effort. they are literally balls with no mouth, nose or any other detail, just a circle, a flag and two eyes

AI bros aren't logical, they'd rather put in no effort to have a machine barf out crap then claim they made it.
- Thing is, as someone who has fooled around with locally hosted image gen, it's actually sometimes a whole fucking lot of work to try and bend prompts to get the stupid algorithm to spit out what you want. They'd rather put in a shit tonne of effort for an objectively worse result.

Ha! Was curious and just checked - they recently banned me from the same communities. I certainly don't go looking for AI stuff to downvote but probably have done so a couple times if I see it in /all and it's egregiously bad. Guess that was too much for them.

Imagine being so incredibly fragile that you ban folks because they downvoted a post on a site where karma doesn't exist and you had an AI create the content you posted.

I think as more people get sick of AI bullshit, the cheerleaders are seeing the reaction and thinking it's some dark conspiracy when it's just folks saying "Hmm, that's kinda crappy, isn't?"

You downvoted me for posting a bash script, I guess I know why now. Vote count does matter a little bit because you're pushing someone's post down so others can't see it. Kind of a bummer when I'm just trying to grow a small community and share with people.
- Who honestly keeps track of who down votes what? What is this...
- Just a suggestion - don't say you "created" something when you then go on to say you had AI do it for you.

Wait, are you telling me that people who use AI nowadays are completely deranged?

astronaut_pointing_gun.jxl

So your telling me that if I go downvote a bunch of stuff in one AI slop community someone will ban me from all of them for me and save me the work of blocking them all?

I complained about slop in the other thread and got banned from at least two, hopefully more. Only found out when I went to block a couple of communities someone linked.
I think I would be willing to pay for a lemmy experience that replaces ai slop posts with ads. Ads with autoplaying videos and sound. Ads that when accidentally clicked open the app store to some obvious malware. Anything that doesn't kill one rainforest tree per post.

I tried to warn you all

Same thing happened to me, not that I really care about having less AI generated art on my feed

I noticed this a while ago but just found it funny and moved on. I think they rage ban anyone who posts here. The reason why someone who apparently is very pro-AI would visits an Anti-AI community just to be angry eludes me.

I noticed just yesterday or maybe two days ago that MysticMuchroom had banned me from !stable_diffusion_witches@lemmy.dbzer0.com calling me an "Anti-AI Troll" in the modlog. I'm fairly certain I've had exactly zero interaction with the stable_diffusion_witches before or since.

My guess is that ze had previously banned me from !stable_diffusion_mycology@lemmy.dbzer0.com for downvoting too much and preemptively also banned me from stable_diffusion_witches when ze first created it.

Then ze had the gall to come to this thread to troll and file reports to me (I'm a mod here on !fuck_ai@lemmy.world) about people calling zir out for basically exactly that behavior.

Oy.

I think the need for more explicit rules in the sidebar is getting more crucial. I might see about trying to make that happen soon. I'll probably start by DMing @VerbFlow@lemmy.world and see where it goes from there.

Edit: And now I think MysticMushroom is evading zir ban. Either that or someone else is impersonating them.

I believe that db0 is here to brigade this thread with downvotes, as well. In the past they have done the same with the admins themselves participating and inciting it even, leveraging plausible deniability to do so but it's very obvious to those willing to entertain the idea.

I keep seeing dbzer0.com paired with some unhinged opinions. Is it a good site to block in general, or should I continue my current trajectory of just blocking the names I see making these opinions public?

dbzer0.com is a good instance for things like piracy, privacy and other "non-standard" uses of technology. It is very anarchist.
- So many people use "anarchism" in their identity that I just don't trust it. I mean there's anarcho-capitalists for starters... If there's a strong culture of pro-AI there, thought, that may be enough on its own to just get rid of them.
All instances are a group of individuals. If you're looking for a community without any assholes at all, let alone instance, you're in for a very unhappy surprise.
I'm reminded of an old small-community MMO I used to play where one player literally blocked anyone who said anything they didn't align with. It wound up with them pretty much asking questions in world chat and wondering why no one would answer, even though they got like 4 answers.
So if you're out to block every instance that has people in it with unhinged views, your lemmy is going to be very quiet someday. That might be how you want it, so I'm not saying don't do it. You do you. I'm just saying that you can't find gold without digging through dirt. Blocking a whole instance based on individual comments/posts that you've seen just seems a bit extreme to me.
- dbzer0 instance admin is pro-LLM slop. I'm fine with blocking the whole instance.
- Oh, I'm aware that "no assholes" is an impossible dream. But if I start seeing assholes and idiots increasingly attached to specific instances, it's incentive to perhaps just drop that instance. Different instances have different moderation policies and different target communities. For example "hilariouschaos" is an instance for people who've never left that 13-year old sniggering stage where "bewbs" is a word with intrinsic hilarity. So I can axe them comfortably.
It's libshit as fuck.

I bet you are really sad about it too.

Very 🥲😪😕🫤😟🙁☹️😦😧😨😰😥😢😓😞😣😖😭

I was also in that thread and have blocked the whole instance. Literally the first thing I did when I made my account was block the AI images communities, because I don't want it in my feed. The .dbzer0 mods have now made it clear that every comm on their instance is an AI image comm, and if you talk about it or complain, you can expect your comments to be removed in the same way they would be if you went into a specifically AI image community. Like, not only is there no requirement or expectation that it be tagged as AI, but you can't even expect to see it mentioned in the comments because that'll be censored. They're really trying to shove it down everyone's throats and ban anyone who complains.

"Being anti-AI is intrinsically reactionary" is a direct quote from Unruffled. None of them are at all open to hearing criticism or discussion about it.

I was participating in the comment section of that post, and I was actually defending the ~~criticism of~~* using AI for memes, but I agree that mods over there are... a little too proactive. Like, I was debating with a person and their comments were getting removed. Sure, I disagreed with that person, but their comments weren't particularly outrageous as to be removed.

On the other hand, it seems that both communities have a couple "outspoken vegan" kind of members whose intent is to be the guy from "stop having fun!" meme. Which causes mod overreaction.

I crossposted this thread to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and here was db0's response

Not surprising whatsoever. Someone should really make an alternative to that community that isn't on dbzer0. YPTB is biased as fuck and they're not above accusing people like us of sowing drama just because they don't like criticism of their slop.

Lol it just keeps on getting better, dbzer0's admins apparently think that banning anyone who downvotes in your community to create an echochamber is somehow a good thing

This is the real problem: they are all jumping to the assumption that MysticMushroom banned TheBat because they downvoted in a "genAI community", except /c/leftymemes is NOT explicitly a genAI community. Everyone in the thread there on yepowertrippinbastards that supports the mod abuse are all acting under that assumption and keep perpetuating that, yet no one has bothered to check and Mushroom seems to be content with not correcting that.
You can see the proof that the comments they downvoted was on leftymemes:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19277683
[Source]
And here are the other db0 downvotes from that time period:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/46245854
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19270000
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19269940
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19267800
I also see that there are a lot of weirdly disproportionate downvotes in this thread. I suspect the db0 people are here brigading/vote manipulating, which is something they decry on their own platform. They are such hypocrites.

It's pretty stupid to block an entire instance for being blocked from one community for what is a small issue in grand scheme of things.

if an instance has ignored a community to the point it has become a toxic cesspool then the instance is a complete loss.
I have blocked several instances for the same reason.
It's not just one community. The whole instance is pro-AI, untagged, and with criticism of it being against the rules.
- And if you criticize the mod actions you'll be accused of starting drama, as I learned from crossposting this there.
  Here's db0's lovely, totally mature, and not at all condesending response.
- There is no actual rule against criticism of AI. It's an ethereal rule that they use to exert authoritarian behavior.
dbzer0 instance admin is pro-LLM slop. I'm fine with blocking the whole instance.

I doubt it was because of downvoting only.

They just handled this issue

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/46479209

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Being full anti AI must be as cringe as going all in AI

Lemmy is just as messed up as Reddit. Had my first acct nuked because I argued that Jewish people were supporting a genocide. Not all. But a majority. And boom the Zionists silenced my voice because I’m not cool with genocide.

Honestly. Wtf Lemmy.

I've seen a few tankies buying hard into the "AI" grift. Gotta remember these people support the attack on ukraine. They're easily misled due to their support of authoritarianism, etc.

But on the other hand... That particular comm is for people who enjoy generated art. They don't want to hear the same old attacks... I dunno about a downvote though.

Sorry to cut in, but dbzer0 is NOT a tankie instance, it's an anarchist community. From my perspective we are pro-ukraine, pro-ai because fuck copyrights and very far from authorianism, and we protect our own.
As you said, this does not come out of nowhere. The instance rule against anti-ai-commenting in our communities stems from some very unpleasant visits from people who are pretty misled regarding AI, which leads to lots of off-topic discussion and comment trolling (for example under a polandball meme, where the way it was created is completely irrelevant).
This rule was voted on by our community , and says:
To protect our communities, community members and mods from abuse: no comment trolling, dogpiling, or downvote trolling is allowed.
This rule only applies to communities where GenAI is not disallowed by community rules, so mods can opt in or out.
On the whole i would say our instance does not agree with what is done with the technology by the corpos, dislike that it is shoved into everything even if it doesn't belong there, but acknowledge that it is a tool like any other to express oneself creatively. The problem is capitalism, not GenAI.
Enabling people to realize creative ideas on the fly without having to learn every skill to get an acceptable result, or reducing the amount of work needed, is exactly what it is for - just like a shovel makes digging a hole very much faster than using bare hands.
Anti-GenAI users have plenty of platforms to share their view, and it is not ok to come barging into the few places where GenAI is expressly allowed or even the main theme of the community.
Edited to add: Copyrights in their current form are just legal weaponry wieded by corpos against simple users (remember how they sued simple people for downloading crappy pop songs? That's the pro-copyright-side) and against artists themselves.
In an ideal world, creation of the datasets would be a mission for UNO, for creating a snapshot of human culture. The datasets should be free to use in noncommercial settings and paid if used commercially, to generate income to distribute to artists, who can opt out if they don't want their work included. That's at least what i would wish that the future holds for us.
- He is a dbzer0 user.

I feel like the thing missing here is you seeing that TheBat posted this screenshot of TheBat getting banned
Wdym?

Here we go again... For your info, the general sentiment of the instance is pro-AI for no commercial purposes. So yeah, you may see more AI stuff there, but it's not full on tech bro mentality

Heck, they promote AI horde which is one of the most ethical way to do AI as a service IMO. And even if I'm against AI, I'd rather have people use the horde instead of an overpriced subscription for the GPTs.

It's best to not start a war as it's best to not be seen as an extremist community

There’s no point in trying to debate or reason with anti-AI trolls, most of them are neolibs or just regular libs anyway. If they weren’t they wouldn’t be barfing out the same tired ass talking points and using ad-hominem to attack logical rebuttals to their arguments.
What a lovely sentiment 🥰
- I'm only talking about the instance, not the individual people. Of course there's bound to be a few bad apples, but what instance doesn't have them?

My dude you're downvoting AI posts in an AI community explicitly against instance anti-brigading rules. You deserve it.

Edit: It seems I misunderstood the situation. That is questionable.

Is one person voting on their own from a single account considered "brigading" now?
- When you have dozens of that one person the effect is the same. Downvoting something you don't like in an instance dedicated to that something derails the conversation and inserts unnecessary negativity ala downvote bots; at this point block the community and move on. Imagine if Lemmy had dozens of religious people downvoting the shit out of all posts on c/atheism or c/atheistmemes.
No.
I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.
I didn't go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.
- in a post that showed up on my feed,
  The call is coming from inside the house!
- I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post that showed up on my feed
  In an AI community. It's literally called "stable diffusion mycology"; they're not exactly subtle about it. If you hate AI then block the instance instead of derailing the conversation by downvoting pro-AI comments in a pro-AI instance.
also having c/privacy in there is a bit conflicting, as most discussions about AI are not aligned with privacy.
- dbzer0 isn't an AI instance; it's an anarchist/non-tankie leftist instance. People that far left tend to not recognize intellectual property as valid so they play nice with AI and piracy, but the point of the instance is still eating the rich, not posting AI stuff.
OP is fighting the good fight in [checks notes] stable-diffusion-mycology and stable-diffusion-witches. So brave! smh.

I guess in your drive-by downvoting you didn't notice the huge argument happening in that thread, specifically from people dogpiling the creator for crossposting from the !imageai@sh.itjust.works to !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com? So it wasnt even originally from our board!

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/46162538

I can't even see the post anymore, OP might have been bullied into deleting it.

I saw it before and didn't even care for it myself! i hate Poland ball comics, absolute garbage. But the dbzer0 mods have a point. You can't even mildly critique something like that without the AI haters rolling in to be disruptive. You've made this big stink like you were singled out but there's several loud people in there derailing conversations to complain about AI. In other words, you were brigading.

dbzer0's AI suckoff stance is awful
- It's really fucking annoying too, because their userbase is generally pretty based on literally any other issue, but they just pick the stupidest hill to die on with the internet-killing machine.
Please help me get this straight so that I don't misunderstand you.
Are you saying that you agree that people should be banned for downvoting content? So, without commenting or arguing or anything, just downvoting something you don't like can get you banned?
Why then don't you just disable the downvoting function for the instance?
- Having considered things for a day, I would say that I think @MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com probably was overzealous banning the OP from all those comms over downvotes. That's assuming all they did was down vote some comments in that post.
  If they were serially downvoting a bunch is posts in those comms then that's that.
  But I don't otherwise find the anti-anti-ai rules on dbzer0 to be onerous. I criticize AI fairly often, I just don't do it in the pro-ai comms. Leftymemes is funny territory since it isnt explicitly a pro-ai comm, even if the instance overall is. I do think all comma should post all their rules in sidebar. It isn't enough to assume Instance rules are also included, since those aren't immediately visible to a federated user checking the sidebar.