No, not like that
No, not like that
No, not like that
If I were forced to choose between two choices and I didn't like either, I would not consider myself living in a democracy. Democracy is pointless if you aren't able to vote for a candidate that you actually like.
The solution is reform. If your democracy is not proportional, then it is not a democracy.
Without RCV, there is no path to better candidates. There is a reason so many conservative states have been proactively banning it.
No voting system by itself will do much. We need to switch to a proportional system or else minority parties won't have a fair shot at representation. If a party gets 2% of the vote, they should get 2% of the seats. Not possible with single-winner methods.
Ranked Choice Voting is an improvement over plurality voting, but as I've written elsewhere (too lazy to look it up), I think any election with a single winner is still going to end up with weird/disappointing outcomes at least 90% of the time. I think this post is referring to the governor of New York, no? I would rather see a system where the state legislature is elected proportionally, and then the governor would be selected from a coalition agreement between the governing parties - similar to what you see in many national, state and provincial systems across Europe. This system isn't without its downsides, but at least it's harder for incumbent parties to force voters to support them even if those voters don't want to.
Of course, this is a much more fundamental reform, so it's harder to adopt. RCV is definitely an improvement. It's great to see some progress happening out there in the USA.
You are able to do that, it's the entire point of a primary.
It's not the best system, certainly, but it does mean you actually get more than 2 choices.
Sort of?
A comprehensive look at voter turnout from 2000 onwards reveals that the average turnout rate for primary elections is 27% of registered voters, compared to 60.5% for general elections. It should be noted that less than half of the voters who cast a ballot in the general election participate in primaries.
https://goodparty.org/blog/article/primary-vs-general-election
All sorts of problems have solutions. I see this a lot in the tech space, like the need to save a video, Adblock, whatever.
…But generally, people don’t use them. Or know about them.
US primaries feel similar, where voters technically have the ability to choose candidates but, statistically, they don’t.
Attention is finite. Many dont know about primaries. To me, giving people the choice doesn’t matter if it’s obscure and inaccessibly designed.
Tbf, you can write in anyone you like. Will they win? No. But you can do that.
Tbf, that's not really fair, is it?
It brings up an interesting question of wasted votes. By definition, in plurality voting, at least 50% of all votes must be wasted. Anyone who votes for a losing candidate (and thereby doesn't receive an elected representative) wasted his/her vote. And anyone who voted above the threshold for the winner also cast a wasted vote (because the candidate wouldn't win anyway). It's easy to see why turnout would be low in such a system.
(You could of course argue that a candidate winning a race with 60% of the votes is much stronger in the office than a candidate that wins 51:49, so this is a bit of an oversimplification, but hopefully you get the idea of how wasted votes work solely within the context of decided who wins the race.)
Then it's not a democracy. But you still live here.
Apparently some need education on what a primary is.
They were all running to “be the blue.” This is how WE pick the candidates that run for the Democratic Party. Yes. That’s right. They’re not selected by the DNC as many believe.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout, yet people love to complain about the career centrists. Well, this is EXACTLY how it’s done.
Mamdani won because WE SHOWED UP. Stop letting retirees with nothing but time on their hands pick our candidates and VOTE FOR PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES.
The joke is that the NYC Dems are making the DNC eat their words with a candidate that they didn't want
Oh I totally missed that. Thanks. Too many people still ignorantly commenting about how the DNC picks all the candidates, after NYC just proved that it’s always been about us showing up, has me on the defense. My bad.
Are those DNC in the room with us now? Because it seems to me Mamdani is a welcomed member of the party and receiving lots of support for the general election.
I think you're missing the joke here?
Didn't the democratic party in America like completely die with president Orange?
Nah. We’re taking it over. Thirty years of retirees picking our candidates in the primaries gave us the centrist party. People are finally waking up and turning out.
I've seen a lot of people insist that we were going to stop doing democracy going forward.
I was skeptical, precisely because the Mamdani race appeared to illustrate how an unpopular incumbent friend-of-Trump could absolutely still lose to a socialist outsider campaign by a local town populist hero. But now I'm seeing the Dem national establishment freak out in such a way that... Idk, maybe they really will try to toss the results of the primary in the trash and tell Zohran he's not welcome in the general.
id argue that if they failed so badly, they were dead already.
Yes, the current cohort. With Mondoni, AOC and Bernie, The hope is more people will vote for progressive candidates and bring back the Democrats from the dead.
Maybe this is the real Blue MAGA
what does any of this mean lol? nyc, dem, dnc, vote blue? wtf
because the one who won the primaries isn't the one who the dnc actually likes. dnc establishment is thinking of having cuomo running as an independent against him. so, 'vote blue no matter who' has now been turned around on those jackasses who kept shoving shit condidates down our throats.
NYC - New York city
DEM - Democrats (political party, they call themselves left, but they are only left if compared with Trump's fascism)
DNC - democratic Nationals convention (interchange with democrats)
Vote Blue - Blue is the democrat colour. and a reference to "Vote blue no matter how" which they campaign on so their unpopular right leaning candidates get votes because the alternative was Trump.
New York just had primaries (an election where they decide who will be the democratic candidate for the real mayoral election), and a democratic socialist won, despite the democratic party pushing for a corrup rapist.
Whoever made this meme may need to brush up on what a binary choice is. I think we've had enough of people voting off their nose to spite their face.
Was the NYC primary a binary choice?
We were forced to choose between Andrew Cuomo and Unrealistic Unserious Far-Left Idealism.
The Democratic Primary voters were tricked by the far-left TikTok media into electing a jihadist intifada antisemite. Now the Democratic Party needs to step in and correct the mistake they made during the primary election by sending $400 Zillion dollars to the Andrew Cuomo Fight and Deliver ballot line in the general.
Zohran Mamdani's irrational, unconceivable, unapologetic, apoplectic, apocalyptic campaign must be stopped before he ruins the perfect beautiful jewel of the East Coast that is NYC. He's threatening to open publicly run grocery stores! He wants to make the bus FREE! HE IS A THREAT TO FREE MARKET CAPITALISM THAT HAS MADE OUR COUNTRY SO GREAT!
This was not a real democratic election. It was an invasion by an insurgency of illegal socialist radicals. We cannot, in good conscious, permit this farce to continue.
That's why Curtis Silwa, Eric Adams, and Jim Walden need to step down and make way for Cuomo to run again, possibly uncontested if we can somehow disqualify Zohran from the general.
Isn’t this how change happens?
But voting for who you believe in in the primaries and your preferred party in the general?
It's never worked so far, I don't see why the DNC is about to start.
The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.
in theory, yes.
in practice the DNC will protect corporate donations at all cost.
For reference see Bernie Sanders.
Hi, I'm a lifelong DNC voter, I think Mamdani is cool and he even got congratulated by Bill Clinton, so I don't think the DNC you're talking about really exist in any sizable number. Also, if we cared about corporate donations we, the DNC, wouldn't have outlawed them for 7 years until the Citizens United SCOTUS decision brought it back.
I think the nail in Cuomo's Coffin was saying him and Trump had a mutual respect, which is not only not true but also pissed off a ton of Democrats.
So, now it's up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.
They won't.
And here I though you might finally be happy.
Cuomo is running as independent to split the vote and promote a republican candidate.
yhea Democracy my ass
Yes, until an internal smear campaign takes them down, and the whole thing comes apart from petty infighting.