Judges Are Clearly Terrified To Subject Donald Trump To The Rule Of Law
Judges Are Clearly Terrified To Subject Donald Trump To The Rule Of Law
A ruling out of Colorado augurs poorly for those who think he should face justice like any other indicted criminal
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These judges like Wallace are people too, with families who cannot hide behind anonymity like a high profile jury in a mob case. They've seen what Trump's Brown Shirts will do to those they don't like: anything from incessant threatening phone calls to attempted murder with a hammer. What an impossible position to be in: serve justice, or risk your family being stalk and possibly assaulted.
This is how democracy dies. It takes very brave people in power to stand up to someone like Trump.
112Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on. That criminal could always have friends who plot revenge on the judge. And it does happen and judges are aware of it. So that's a poor excuse.
I also don't believe ruling against him will lead to a civil war or anything like that. Not when January 6th was a complete failure. Most Americans, even Trump supporters, aren't interested in picking up a gun and getting on the front lines.
111Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on.
Not at the level of Trump, they don't.
What makes Trump unique is that he is the leader of a massive cult. Our retaliation and intimidation laws don't work so well against those kinds of people because they don't give direct messages to make something happen. They give public statements and weaponise the wackos who 'took things the wrong way'.
These wackos had the balls to storm the capitol. They won't think much about a judge's home.
53Judges take that risk every time they take a criminal case on
The difference here is scale, they don't usually have to worry about a third of the country hating their guts for making a decision
Nor is there a certainty in most cases that criminals will have people who want to harm a judge, unlike with Trump
Yes it's a threat they see often, but it's nowhere near the usual level they see it at and it's very understandable why someone might be legitimately terrified of the situation
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You either fight now or you fight later.
7Appeasing fascists won't stop them from coming after you and your family eventually, you're only delaying the inevitable.
These judges need to do their jobs and deal with the people who are terrorizing us now or everything's only going to get worse and harder to reverse.
2It's going to SCOTUS anyway, no matter what the ruling is; why should a lower judge put themselves at grave personal risk?
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Holy shit. Let justice prevail. This asshole needs to be a convicted felon. Judges are getting scared to do their jobs.
I'm in the medical industry. I put blinders on every day. I don't care what brought you here or why you're handcuffed to the bed.
Yes, I'm proud to say I've worked in a prison ward and been swung at and almost stabbed a few times.
I still show up to do my job.
Putting out a hit list and having a cult of followers that intimidate you and disobey you to this degree is fucked up. Judges should be impartial, of course. That also should allow them the right to reign in a flagrant bullshitter and bully when they see one.
80You're doing amazing work. Thank you.
Unfortunately, self preservation and turning a blind eye to suffering are what psychopaths who want nothing but power excel at.
Expecting them to do the right thing is untenable. It goes against their nature. We are incredulous for all the reasons they are not remotely phased by bad behavior.
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Alt Headline: Judges would rather hand our country to fascists than to hold a fascist accountable
79I don't think so. If they hold him in contempt then it becomes more likely his push for a mistrial succeeds. His goal is to push the trial time past election day, so then he can continue the argument that they can't do anything to the president and he can pardon himself federally (assuming he wins or takes over after losing).
I'd love to see him be held accountable like an average person is, but I totally agree with their position of playing it safe. You don't fuck around for fun when a want-to-be fascist dictator is in play. Either you execute him quickly or you make sure to do everything properly and give them no room to argue you cheated, because they'll try no matter what.
0It's really that an appeal for mistrial goes to some other judge that might have maga up the ass. I don't agree that this is the safe play, there's a strong history of contempt being used in court as a deterrent and any skilled prosecutor would get intimately familiar with all the cases where public statements were made to intimidate witnesses and such.
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Someone's learning judges love fascists, no one that ain't gets into these lines of work.
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It's odd to say that Engoron is afraid to rule against Trump when he already ruled he's guilty of fraud. I'd also love to see him fined a billion dollars or to spend time in jail for contempt of court but Trump and his team are baiting him to take more extreme action to argue bias on appeal. Keeping his orders beyond reasonable is probably the right move to protect his verdict moving forward. Same goes for Chutkin. She's probably more reluctant to help Trump open a door to appeal than afraid to have him spend a night in jail or whatever.
73Judge baiting should itself be contempt.
24Same reason, judge has let all those idiot expert witnesses and let them spout off to a degree. Trying to leave no room for appeal.
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Congressional republicans really hung the entire country out to dry when they chose to cross that line with him. That's what it all comes back to. These questions should never be riding on individual judges; it's why the legislative branch was defined as its own thing and not just another arm of the president. But they signaled to everyone that his actions were just fine within the framework of the gov.
I mean the whole point of this country was to NOT have power consolidated in one office, and these clowns are just going full-steam ahead on sending us back there again, and dumping all of their resources into convincing the public it's a good thing. Some days I just don't know what kind of backward mirror world we fell into.
41You make the basic mistake of assuming Republicans care about a republic or democracy. They do not. They want to RULE at any cost. Democracy itself is a barrier to them. Why would they EVER respect something even higher order like separation of powers?!
24That's certainly the overall picture for the party, but at the lowest level these are still a bunch of actual, individual humans filling seats. So many of them are so forthcoming in speaking out about being on the wrong side of history the moment they step out of those roles. I would like to understand what's compelling them to consistently vote and speak in unison against the things they swore to uphold, and lie directly to our faces every day right up until the point where it doesn't matter anymore. Whatever is at work there is going to burn everything down eventually.
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No excuses, you take the risk of being targeted with each case. What they're actually afraid of is to burn their God on the pyre. Just look at Cannon, she is clearly trying to avoid a Judas moment.
14We USians gave that shithead Trump access to the largest spying network in the world and are surprised that Trump might be extorting and blackmailing judges.
12Well it wasn't like we did it ourselves, they called it "pied piper" for a reason
2Also, far far far too many people voted for him, but never let it be forgotten that a majority of American voters did not support him in 2016 or 2020
Side note, I love your username
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he's basically a sovereign citizen
11I think they're afraid of appeals. Whatever they do, they want to make it stick
10And they've succeeded in making appeals difficult. The judge made a factual ruling that Trump engaged in insurrection, so any appeals also must accept that as a fact.
It may not have been the outcome we hoped for, but it's a strong step in the right direction.
13Such fine legal maneuvering. I was sorely disappointed until I learned of this.
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At what point does this removed just not get killed
7This is, conceptually, a really important discussion. This author treats this important discussion like an early 2000s Myspace page.
As fodder in the spin wars, her ruling has a little something for everyone. Trump supporters can rightly note that Wallace rejected arguments (like mine!) that their guy is ineligible for the presidency; Trump critics can respond that, after trying the issue, she found Trump indeed engaged in the insurrection, even though he was not among the rioters at the Capitol that day.
This is just truly awful writing for such an important piece of potential American history.
4This important piece of American history is kinda like an early 2000s Myspace page, or something embarrassing and juvenile like that. Like, let's not forget that we're dealing with an existential threat to our country and way of life that's taken the form of Donald fuckin Trump, quite possibly the trashiest piece of 80s excess and reality TV to ever walk this planet. The whole thing is both very stupid and incredibly serious.
If it's any comfort, I'm sure there were people in the 30s who thought getting messages from Hitler and FDR over those newfangled radios was kind of trashy too.
7If any of us were sent back in time to try to stop him, could we convince anyone that this is actually real?
It feels so surreal watching Trump take power. It's like living in a Simpsons cartoon.
6This important piece of American history is kinda like an early 2000s Myspace page, or something embarrassing and juvenile like that
Lol I suppose there is a sort of poetry in the coverage matching the subject matter.
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4Pity they couldn’t court martial him. He was CiC when he fomented insurrection. That would really blow the conservative mind, with their military worship they wouldn’t know what to do. Attack the military for throwing trump in Leavenworth?
3A very important distinction of the Commander-in-Chief is that they specifically are a civilian and are not a part of the military. That a civilian is above the military. A civilian non-combatant does not fall under the UCMJ. Civilian combatants (in a nation vs nation conflict) can fall under the UCMJ and routinely do in times of war in the US of course.
13In this case that’s a pity.
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1Pity they couldn’t court martial him. He was CiC when he fomented insurrection. That would really blow the conservative mind, with their military worship they wouldn’t know what to do. Attack the military for throwing trump in Leavenworth?
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