on reddit mods acted like petty tyrants and were bastions of censorship. What prevents lemmy from going down the same rabbit hole?

make your own/move instances? isnt that the beauty of the fediverse?

Man, did this happen often to you?

I refuse to engage with this topic in terms of “freedom of speech” and “censorship.” There are no civil rights at issue when moderators of a forum delete comments. If you want to talk about petty, tyrannical behavior by the mods that’s a question of what kind of community we want to have. NOT “freedom of speech.” There absolutely have to be norms of conduct here or the place will descend into shit. So unrestrained expression is off the table in all scenarios.

Stop talking about it as freedom of speech and then we can get somewhere.

On lemmy, you dont have 1 instance with that community, if a mod or admin is not good, just swap the instance and make there a better community.

"If this gets me banned than you are worse than spez" hahahahahahahaha, wot m8?

Lemmy.world, by its own continuous admission, is not a free speech platform

Community moderation simply isn't the issue most people leaving Reddit were looking to solve during Rexit

You can host your own instance to share your opinions.
Still don't expect other instances for allowing content they don't want to be federated with, so you might have where to say something but it might not reach everyone.

Personally, I feel it's the proper job of a mod to decide what kind of a community they want to foster, establish their rules to reflect those goals, and enforce accordingly. Not every online space has to be a wild frontier allowing the worst of online behavior. Furthermore, any person who wants such a wild frontier community on reddit or here is certainly free to make that community. If enough people enjoy hanging out with that behavior, then your community will be a success. And THAT is actual freedom of speech: make your community the way you like it, and see how many other people want to hang out with you. I promise, if I visit your community, I won't complain about being offended or aggravated.

Most of my experience with people complaining about lack of freedom of speech have tried to force their wild frontier self expressions onto spaces where civil speech is enforced or the topics to be discussed are tightly defined.

Please give actual examples of what was silenced.

Also what is your definition of freedom of speech?

Do you understand that freedom of speech is a legal, very explicitly defined thing?

honestly? nothing whatsoever. I see a lot of censorship on lemmy, particularly in the *.ml instances.

Cry harder, then go start your own instance so you can moderate yourself.

If you got banned a lot of Reddit, the problem might be you.

There were some dubious moderators, but I tended to stick to subs where i share values with the sub and the mods and things were pretty decent. If they hadn’t torpedoed mobile apps I probably would have stuck around.

In contrast, Lemmy seems to be very lightly moderated across the board, probably because moderating is a crap load of work.

Freedom of expression should not be subject to the whims of individuals!

Are you saying it should be without limitation?

Insults, hate speech, lies, prejudice, riling up conflict and hate? Ad spam and off topic?

Modlogs are public here, for one. As communities get bigger and modding gets more labor intensive there's bound to be some convergence in practices, but there's also different options available as instances can defederate, new instances can be established, forks can be made of the technologies at play, etc.

Guess we'll see.

Probably the Lemmy users and the community mods? So, nothing different from Reddit.

As a recent mod of another community here on Lemmy, there seems to be a weird expectation that mods are there to protect posters from each other. "They called me an ignoramus! Ban them! Ban them now!" Like...yeah, abusive language should be banned...but mods shouldn't be a poster's way to play bait-and-whack-a-mole.

If Reddit mods had to deal with that shit, then I feel sorry for them.

Conversely, there is an expectation that mods are supposed to be impartial. They're as human as any other poster, and dealing with antagonists day-in, day-out takes its toll. After a while, it's just indiscriminate pattern recognition: a certain pattern warrants a ban every time without discussion.

For example, when you said this:

If this gets me banned than you are worse than spez

Did you look at the rules before and ask, "How can this post get me banned?" If so, then you obviously didn't need to include this line. If you didn't, then you shouldn't have posted in the first place.

If users want a particular type of community, then users should act in a way to facilitate it. Mods alone can't do that. Mods, at most, can define and enforce the limits of what's acceptable. But if posters routinely act in unacceptable ways, then they shouldn't get mad when mods routinely enforce those limits.

All bans on lemmy are shadow bans because you will not be notified about it. Only way to find out is to go looking for your name in the modlog.

us man. if some place will not serve you then go someplace else. personally though I want all blocking and such to be at the individual levels but maybe some options to sign up for folks or groups block lists if people find it to cumbersome to do it themselves. I like this guy so I will trust who he blocks or whatever. trustcafe seems to want to do that but honestly im not liking the system they have of ranking every user which seems more cumbersome than just blocking toxics and such.

I think many of us are struggling to understand your gripe because we either don’t see it or have shifted away from it here. Or our home instances have defederated the problem.

Do you have an example to help us out?

Nothing. With reddit, the size of the communities and the burden of moderating them combined (over time) to make the mods more burnt out. The mods here just haven't burnt out yet.

Freedom of expression should not be subject to the whims of individuals!

That's the same here on Lemmy. Yet going away and freespeaking elsewhere is easier.

Nothing stops you from starting a community with the same name on a different instance, there might be a portion of the user base that is willing to join both.

Try hanging out in philosophy-focused spaces, some of them are pretty close to the "civil discussions on hard topics with moderation good enough to toss out manipulators and build everyone else up" sweet spot I'm always searching for

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