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CATL announces sodium batteries that cost as little as $10/kWh, a massive price reduction compared to the current average of $115/kWh for lithium-ion batteries.

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CATL announces sodium batteries that cost as little as $10/kWh, a massive price reduction compared to the current average of $115/kWh for lithium-ion batteries.

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can't stand undecided. he's basically just reading ad copy.
- Same, I’m sure he’s a nice guy but I loathe his content
Wake me up once its really for sale to normal people.
Where are they getting batteries for $115/kWh? Going market rate for ~~LiFePO3~~ LiFePO4 seems to be at least 10 times that.
- I don’t know about LiFePo3, but LiFePO4 prices are dropping to the sub $100 level.
Keep in mind that due to size these are only viable for industrial or utility grade storage. Not great for cars, devices, or probably houses.
- The video says it's 175 kwhr per kg compared to 185 for LFP that's already used in some cars. Gold standard is Lion at 300. Volumetric is the same ratios.
  So it's usable in cars and absolutely immediately useable in homes.
  
  Sodium batteries generally have poor round-trip efficiency. This won't be game-changer for home or solar use unless CATL can solve that problem.
- CATL first uses for the tech are literally car batteries. Your info looks to be outdated. The energy density of these new sodium batteries is apparently just 5% less than current lithium batteries used in electric cars.
  The platform is called naxtra. They are also using it in their mixed battery car batteries called Freevoy that are primarily sodium, but also lithium.
  The link above is the transcript of the posted video. It covers both electric car platforms.
  
  Yes, outdated info then.
  Edit: sounds pretty magical that they're significantly improved in nearly every way. 10x cheaper, over twice the charge cycles, more temperature tolerant, and only slightly less capacity.
  It'll be interesting to see if they can really deliver all this.
- Aren't the current models only about half as dense as lithium Ion?
  Taking up twice the space for a tenth of the cost seems like a pretty acceptable trade-off for the house scenario
  
  Yes, it's a great trade off, for particular applications.
- Could be used at your house for solar power backup during the night?
  
  Yeah, just double or so the amount of space you'd need for lifepo4. Good if you have some space
Not just that but they've also got the Choco-SEB modular battery swap thing going. 2min battery stops to full charge.
Same price, bigger profit margins.
I don't have a YouTube account and my pihole ad blocking gets me bkocked, is there an article it references? Also, what's the kWh to cubic feet/meters ratio compared to current lithium ion?
- The author posts transcripts of his video. Here is this one.
Finally, the annoying sk battery companies could die down

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