Americans’ junk-filled garages are hurting EV adoption, study says
Americans’ junk-filled garages are hurting EV adoption, study says
arstechnica.com
Americans’ junk-filled garages are hurting EV adoption, study says
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People can't afford a new car, let alone an EV, let alone a carport or car hole.
This is just tone deaf poor blaming.
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Stupid article. You don't need 240 V , you can charge with a regular wall plug. For a lot of usage patterns this is more than enough.
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You can make it work on 120V, it just uses ~20-30% more energy due to the overhead of running all the vehicle systems for so much longer while charging.
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I think that number is a bit off. Yes, there is overhead when charging a car to run its battery management system, heat losses in the wiring, etc. But it's not 20-30% of the ~kilowatt of power you'd run through level 1. A quick search says that 20% loss is at the higher end for level 1 (probably 15% on the lower end) but even level 2 has about a 10% loss.
The bigger issue is that level 1 just doesn't have nearly as much power as level 2. Most cars charge at level 1 at 8-16 amps. Most level 2 setups charge at a few times that, plus the voltage is doubled so the total power ends up being about 10x as much. But that's not to say everyone needs that power either. Honestly, for the average driver it's quite easy to make level 1 work.
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If you need to top off with 200 - 300 miles of range every night, you commute sucks giant donkey balls.
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How about talking to the landlords who refuse to install EV chargers? Or maybe talk to manufacturers who won't sell a basic EV that isn't overpriced?
This is just "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!" again.
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What do landlords have to do with it? Can you not power the charger off 110V or 220V? Do you need a higher amp circuit cut in, larger than 30A? (American question obviously.)
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I rent a house. Our lease is explicit about no battery charging in the garage, including EVs. Yet they seemingly have no problem with my welder or RC cars...
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Some apartment buildings are nowhere near where tenets park vehicles. Running extention cables would be a mess and dangerous
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fast charging requires a larger service connection than a wall outlet. you can slow charge from a normal wall outlet, but it will take ages to fully charge a modest battery.
generally people have it installed by an electrician, running a new conduit from the circuit breaker.
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It ain’t the junk in the garage, it’s the $80k and the spyware
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Yup. Find me a car that respects my privacy and won't advertise to me and I'm in.
Edit to add: and no fuucking subscriptions to enable things the car can already do but disabled in software.
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How clean is your garage? Do you have one? Just curious.
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my ford EV has no subscriptions (other than the usual sirius XM and nav subs that all cars have). There is data collection but you are able to opt out.
Also this is more of an issue with new cars in general, not a reason to choose a new ICE vehicle over a new EV.
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As opposed to what your comment implies, the drivetrain (EV or ICE) has nothing to do with cars spying on you. You should not blame the technology itself because shady car companies spying on your internet connected car. Most of them are well known ICE car brands that do the spying (GM, Volkswagen for instance)
Yes, most new ICE cars are Internet connected now, not just EVs.
Blame those greedy corporations, not the technology.
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What does spyware have to do with EVs?
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Well my next car will be an EV so I’m holding on to the older car i have for now until some good option actually comes that’s reasonably priced and not spyware
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Apparently people are living double lives and are afraid their secret identity will be uncovered by checks notes corporations who already know more about us because we have a smartphone in our pocket.
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with the used EV tax credit there are good options at ~20k.
edit: why downvotes? the used EV market is bigger every year and if the price is under $25k you get a ~$4k credit.
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pretty sure it's the lack of money that's hurting ev adoption.
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There can be multiple factors.
People with garages big enough for a nice car that also have it stuffed with things probally have money too. Right?
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I have a garage that could hold 4 cars if you parked 2 rows of them....
My single income household of 3 is just barely above the national poverty level.
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Pretty sure it's the range and charge times. Especially in the Midwest. I need a car that can take me to Florida in under 16 hours. Also I own a EV
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The real problem is having to go to Florida so regularly. I feel for ya.
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Money and options are hurting my adaption rate
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I moved in to a house with a garage and my in laws are constantly trying to give us crap to fill it up.
I don’t even know where they’re getting this stuff, they just show up and are like “oh, we’re getting rid of this dresser, we thought you’d like it” or “or, I bought this antique trunk at a yard sale, can you hold on to it”.
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Yeah, my bfs dad is constantly filling his house, garage, and yard with a bunch of crap that he'll never use. It just sits there and gets forgotten and deteriorates. Took us 6 years but we got like 90% of what he was storing out of our house too.
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Too real
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We have a one-car garage and two cars. I have a table saw, therefore we have a no-car garage.
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I know lots of people who just run the cable under the door...
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My parents have a garage full of junk. It used to drive me crazy. We have strong storms where we live and a tree/branches falling are a real possibility of damaging their cars. Plus hail storms sometimes.
It's mainly my moms stuff. Some of it is worth money but it's not being sold or anything.
If they used the garage as something other than storage it would be one thing. Instead it's full of stuff for no real reason.
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Some of it is worth money but it’s not being sold or anything.
My mother refuses to admit she's a hoarder, and none of her things are really valuable. She's clean, it's not like she lives in filth, but she lives in 4000 square feet (main floor + basement) and has three full wall closets plus a room in the basement all filled with every item of clothing she has ever owned. I can barely fill a small closet with all my clothing. Her closets aren't small, either. They are about 15 feet wide, each. So three 15 feet wide closets absolutely crammed with shit, and each one of them has storage space broken into three sections, about three feet tall each above each closet. Everything is crammed full. None of it is ever pulled out to be used for anything. She has all these things from her family she has kept for "memories" but 1. they mean nothing to me because I hate my extended family and 2. I won't be able to afford to store them and won't have reason to when she's gone.
I don't fucking get it, it's a massive house, and it's just stuffed to the fucking brim with crap crap crap!
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There are lots of factors that lead to people of her generation ending up like this. It’s really common.
One factor for some people, is not wanting to face how wasteful we are. It’s putting off the reality that it’s all landfill. Just one of many reasons. And I think it might be common with people who are not exactly hoarders, but also manage to hold on to so much.
Sure, they could donate it… but the rationalization could spin up again knowing that’s just another cope, because most of it will go from the donation place to the landfill.
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Me, who doesn't even have a garage: Yeah... That'e what stops me from getting an EV...
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lol, this totally makes sense to me. It can’t be the only reason. But my lived experience tells me it’s not insignificant.
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What about transit? Why do Americans always have to drive. We need real alternatives to cars.
"We mean electric cars, you commie! The next time you talk about that thing, you are going out that window."
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