Would anyone have any issues to switch to !wholesome@reddthat.com ? Thay way we ensure communities are spread across different instances

As some of you may know, !wholesome@reddthat.com is now more active than this community. Reddthat is a nice instance, and having the community there allows us to spread the communities across the different instances.

As it is usually easier for people to subscribe to only community, we are thinking about creating a pinned post here, pointing to !wholesome@reddthat.com, and lock the community.

If needed, the community can always be unlocked in the future.

Examples of other communities doing the same

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I prefer multiple redundant communities for a few reasons.
If one is on an instance I've blocked (not in this case) it cuts off the discussion entirely. Like if the municipality and other communities on .ml never had redundant communities elsewhere I wouldn't see any of it.
Moderation can make engagement unfun on some instances.
It does increase crossposting and redundancy. Piefed currently merges comments of crosspoats which is awesome and lemmy could in the future.
So while I don't oppose it in this case, the consolidation trend seems to be swinging to the opposite extreme from intentional fragmentation instead of just letting each community grow and fade out on their own.
- God I need thunder to have good piefed support. Every piefed app I've tried so far has given me trouble, but every passing day it becomes more clear my next instance should be piefed lol
- Hello,
  Piefed currently merges comments of crosspoats which is awesome and lemmy could in the future.
  The issue is that at the moment, Lemmy still does not support this, and there's no clear timeline on when Lemmy 1.0 will release ( https://voyager.lemmy.ml/ shows it running, but it still seems like it's being tested)
  instead of just letting each community grow and fade out on their own.
  The other issue is that communities tend to not fade out on their own if they have a high enough amount of subscribers, even if those are not active users. The two !wholesome communities here are a bit of an example
  LadyButterfly has been posting daily on the Reddthat one for weeks
  The LW one is still used by people, either unaware of the Reddthat one, or thinking that they will have a larger audience on a community with more subscribers
  There are communities where the instances have been shut down for years, but people still post there because they show a high number of subscribers: https://lemmy.world/c/moviesandtv@lemmy.film
  Lemmy.film shut down 2 years ago, posts made there never federate anywhere.
  Finally, everyone is still able to create their own community on a topic if they wish to. Past experiences just show that usually there's poster burnout happening after a few weeks being the only poster on a community, and that it's usually easier to join an existing community.
  Poster burnout is regularly discussed on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip for people interested.
  
  The LW one is still used by people, either unaware of the Reddthat one, or thinking that they will have a larger audience on a community with more subscribers
  Or like me they subbed to more than one of the same community across instances. It shouldn't be a competition.
  Past experiences just show that usually there's poster burnout happening after a few weeks being the only poster on a community, and that it's usually easier to join an existing community.
  Then the community fades away and that is what I would prefer to happen instead of formally closing and moving. A post about the prolific posters switching over worked well for the migration to piefed as far as I can tell.
  
  The issue is that at the moment, Lemmy still does not support this...
  A note to think about for the future: at what point do we start treating Lemmy as the disabled cousin that needs extra assistance to do even the most basic tasks? I cannot think of a single concession that has ever once been offered to PieFed to "compete" with Lemmy - every single step that it has ever taken it has EARNED its reputation, both good and bad, for being new but (relatively speaking) feature-complete, and for adding new features at what seems like a break-neck pace, which I can only hope does not entirely exhaust its main developers, especially when the project still has so very little funding support.
  If you are worried that Lemmy is too centralized, then perhaps move this community to a PieFed instance? PieFed helps to support decentralization, whereas migrating to any Lemmy instance merely postpones the issue to have to once again be revisited later on, when Lemmy is even further behind and PieFed even more further ahead than it is now.
  I am glad that Lemmy exists. I am even more glad that PieFed does. I use both on a weekly basis. I hope both will continue to exist. But regarding the issue of "centralization", as with nearly all other issues, one of them has a clear and definite edge over the other...
- I too came here to say ~this! Having only one community takes away some of the benefits that decentralization provides; meanwhile, similar communities can just link to each other in their sidebar
  
  similar communities can just link to each other in their sidebar
  Linking to each other in the sidebar doesn't really solve the issue
  most of the people don't read the sidebar
  quite a few apps don't make is easy to see the sidebar (or sometimes don't show it at all)
  people still want to post once, and be done with it
Do it! Didn't know the community and just subscribed. The more we can distribute across the threadiverse, the better.
- But, consolidating 2-3 similar communities into 1 community on 1 server is the opposite of being distributed across the threadiverse 😕
  
  Network effect is still at play, look at Lemmy.world place among the most active communities: https://piefed.zip/communities?search=&home_select=any&subscribe_select=any&topic_id=0&feed_id=0&language_id=0&instance=&sort_by=active_weekly+desc
  You can see that the vast majority of the communities are hosted on LW.
  Moving the active community to another instance (Reddthat) is a way to ensure the platform is more reliant. And should Reddthat go down, we could just reopen this one and discuss here where to go next.
- Thanks giga! You might like !nicememes@sopuli.xyz as well
  
  Subbed! Thank you for all the great content! I share it with my wife, it makes us both happy.
I've no issue with pinning a post & pointing to another community, but don't lock this one. It feels antithetical to the idea of the fediverse.
- In her defense, Lady Butterfly is the only one who has been willing to step up to moderate this community, and she is well within her rights to leave anytime she wishes, at which point locking the community becomes the only responsible thing left to do? You can't just leave a community unmoderated - it would instantly become a source for spam that would be spread across the entire Fediverse, as unfortunately happened with many Kbin communities when Ernst fell ill, to the point where people had to defederate from the entire instance to avoid it.
  So for her to not lock this community, someone would have to be willing to step up and do additional work, which so far nobody has.
  
  @LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone
  If the reason to lock this community is you not wanting to moderate it anymore, I can do that. Already keeping an eye on a few mostly-inactive comms and log in pretty regularly.
- How is Lemmy respecting the idea of the Fediverse when more than 90% of the active communities are on one instance? https://piefed.zip/communities?search=&home_select=any&subscribe_select=any&topic_id=0&feed_id=0&language_id=0&instance=&sort_by=active_weekly+desc
  
  Way to completely miss their point
I am a promiscuous subscriber :D
- Which is no bad thing 😊
Tbh - I’m lazy and just browse the Local feed. I started out subscribing to communities but quickly realized there’s not enough content to really support that model here yet (or you have to subscribe to a ton of communities).
I suppose I could switch back to subscribing if Lemmy ever gets as big as Reddit was…
…or if Lemmy.world ever gets sparsely populated enough that I get bored…
- Try https://piefed.social/
  It has feeds that you can subscribe to, and that allow to find content easier than on Lemmy: https://piefed.social/feeds
Personally I think reddthat is too close a nod to reddit, which means issues (because wanting to distance from reddit later, I don't think there's going to be legal issues). Otherwise assuming the same admins and such, all the same for me, I get them both in my feed at the moment.
- Hello,
  Wouldn't all instances called feddit also fall into that category?
  I personally like Reddthat a lot, if you look at their community announcements ( https://reddthat.com/c/reddthat ) you can see that they care a lot about their instance and want to see it succeed.
  @ticoombs@reddthat.com is a great admin, very transparent and approachable
  
  I agree, feddit has the same issue.
  I absolutely want to believe reddthat has the best intentions, just wary of the name. In the end, I'm just a casual passerby from yet another instance with my tiny opinion, don't worry too much about it 😊
  
  <3
  
  I agree. Tiff and Reddthat are great. I don't really understand the concern about their intentions.
Consolidation is a terrible idea across the board.
- How is Lemmy decentralized when more than 90% of the active communities are on one instance? https://piefed.zip/communities?search=&home_select=any&subscribe_select=any&topic_id=0&feed_id=0&language_id=0&instance=&sort_by=active_weekly+desc

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