2d ago

79-year-old US citizen claims ICE agents body-slammed him at his business, seeks $50M

abcnews.go.com

Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.

According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees' work authorization, agents "cursed at him" and "violently body-slammed him onto the pavement." Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.

"You don't f--- with ICE. We are here," agents responded, according to the claim.

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And the conservative base reads the article thusly:
Los Angeles
Oooh, strike one.
car wash
Ooooooooh, that sounds awful immigranty. Strike two!
Rafie Ollah Shouhed
Aaaand that's three, your humanity is OUTTA HERE!
Your woke propaganda like "citizen" and "business owner" have no power here!
I hate the idea that ICE and LEO can commit these types of abuses and then the cost of lawsuits is borne by taxpayers broadly. Seems like it would be more impactful if liability was on the officer (through professional insurance) and the agencies that employee them.
- That's why there's been a movement for years to end Qualified Immunity and force Police to carry their own insurance like Doctors do. As long as Police face no serious consequences for breaking the Law, they'll continue to be vicious thugs.
  
  I made this same comment before I read yours. So 100% agree.
- End qualified immunity and have the lawsuit money come out or the cops pension money and I'm sure it would change right quick.
- That's why ICE agents cover the faces. you can't really know if they are even real agents
- I believe it would be best if it is split. $100,000 per incident by the U.S. government, $1,000,000 by the agents involved. Bankruptcy not being able to get rid of it. That's before there should be criminal implications.
- There will be no liability. The feds are almost always exempt from it.
  
  That's probably true. Most successful civil suits I know about are local/city police.
Tax payer's money 💸
- It is like the lawyers pulled a number out of thin air.
  
  How do you think these numbers are calculated? Come on share your wisdom
- He won't win. You almost never win against the feds. The courts repeatedly ruled they're immune from almost any civil shot. Worth a try though.
  
  The agent might not be ablento be geld personally liable, but 28 USC 1346(b)(1) and 48 USC 1983 have claims won against the government all the time. The problem is that the government steps in and takes the liability of the individual. This means that bad actors are never held to account as individuals.
  
  well they're not immune from any shot...
I mean we're seeing these videos everyday. A no kings protest 2 weeks from now isn't going to stop this. sternly worded letters won't stop this. there is one force we know if which can stop this.
- everyday
  everyday: typical, mundane
  every day: daily
  It's the difference between yelling "Hi Jack!" at the airport .. and something else.
- Since ice is made up of molon labe guys, they should be fully supportive.
  
  The molon lave guys seem to ignore the part where the Spartans did, in fact, find out
  
  I was thinking about something similar.
  I mean you figure it's a couple hundred k to get one gestapo agent onto the streets. it doesn't take much to see that the economics require a high level of utilization. It's not like one gestapo can just go out there and kidnap people. they need several to kidnap one person.
- .
  
  I mean it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that there are no intermediate states between where things are now and total war.
  No major historical event in history has followed the trajectory you suggest; there are always intermediate states, evolutions, phases, degrees.
  Maybe you just need to be a bit more imaginative, if you will.
- Not yet! It will only be a bad catalyst. That's what they WANT right now so I plead... Hold!
- Please no, if everyone stops believing in peaceful change the US is truly f*cked
  
  The US is already truly fucked. Source; I currently live here and am doing everything I can to save up enough money to get the fuck outta here
  
  Alternatively, if the US keeps pretending that peaceful challenge is or has been effective in stopping these goons, more people end up getting disappeared into concentration camps.
  Convenient assumptions that allow you to wash your hands of responsibility do not for a very historical precedent make. Civil protest requires an tacit and consensual agreement to the rule of law and to the idea that 'courts' and 'rule of law' exist mean something extrinsic to the individual: these clowns don't believe that and are using the fact that you do against you.
  This isn't a fucking star wars movie, this is real fucking life. Every person kidnapped of the streets is a life ruined and family destroyed. If your argument is that we can only use peaceful means but peaceful means arent effective, you are responsible for the outcomes if you remove alternative approaches from the table.
  The right to resist, and yes, violently when necessary, against tyranny is an in-alienable human right.
  
  If the right thinks the left is not willing to fight for democracy USA is even more fucked.
  
  Peaceful change works in a lot of places.
  When you're working with an enemy that considers you subhuman and wants to kill you there is no peace; only being abused and murdered.
  If a fascist or an oligarch doesn't think it's gonna get shot at, it'll do whatever it wants to you.
  
  So do you believe this 79 year old used violence and this was the result? My guess was he tried to be peaceful and naive, like you, and guess what? ICE laughed because they got an easy target.
  You are also in these comments saying people can't provide an example of violence being used to stop fascism. Guess whatever passed for a school where you're from didn't teach you about allied forces spending years successfully beating back fascism. To be fair it was a very little known movement called World War Two. People like you not being taught what that sacrifice meant are the reason we are here.
  Violence is a tool. It is neither good or bad. Looking at one group using violence to terrorize and harm innocents, and another group using it against THOSE people to stop it, and saying they're both equally bad is so incredibly absurd that it is obvious you are not arguing in good faith and instead siding with the first group but pretending to be neutral.
  
  Great. While we peacefully beg for our humanity, they can continue to violently brutalize and oppress us! This surely will work.
  
  if everyone stops believing in peaceful change, the only thing that will be fucked is shareholder profits ;)
No matter how much hate ICE is getting, it is not enough
Claims? There's a video.
- Legalese
  
  Cowardly journalism
Ice came to chicago to learn how to put a government in debt from lawsuits due to law enforcement behavior.
I'm just chilling watching TV. How many millions can I get?
- If ICE breaks into your home, bodyslams you to the ground, cusses you out, breaks your bones, puts a knee on your neck and kidnaps your neighbours you can sue them for $50M or whatever you want
Best I can do is the rest of your life in an El Salvadoran concentration camp.
Hey look at all the argument in this thread... between leftists!
I wonder if they planned that? 🤔
I heard there aren’t any guns in Chicago

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