Calling yourself left wing doesn't mean you are left wing

This is why whenever someone spits "liberal" out in a discussion, it just freezes my brain for a little while as I try to figure out what the fuck they mean by the word.

It's a classic example of "you keep saying that word, it doesn't mean what you think it means"
- It comes off so elitist when people like you and OP act this way though. Most people don't like politics or even want to get involved. A majority of those ones that do get involved have such a baseline understanding of what their political affiliation is it's shocking. Hell, for most of my life I didn't know better either. I always considered myself a liberal Democrat, but better realized that I'm fully a progressive.
  It's better to be open and supportive of people, and to talk to them about their beliefs. It goes a lot better than ridiculing then over it. You catch a lot more flies with honey, than with vinegar.
The ideological landscape could not be more topsy turvy if someone was deliberately trying to make sane conversations impossible. There needs to be some kind of grounding shibboleth that can erase all ambiguity.
- You don't think someone is deliberately trying to make sane conversations impossible?
Yes exactly. Around here, "the liberals" are the parties on the right wing of parliament...
- Same for the US, with them being on the right side of the political spectrum

US "Left" is just global "Right"-lite with more packaging. 🤌🏼

Who made you king of the left?

I did not vote for you.

No one votes for the leftist monarch.
We all take turns. It's my turn tomorrow.
- We’re an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
- Got a good chuckle, m8

If I am expected to answer for what XxCommieCoomer42069xX says on a discord channel, then I am at least left of center according to my calibrations.

I would have described FDR as centre left

FDR was a centrist afraid of a communist revolution. This is the only reason the US got the New Deal. Funny it didn't last 20 years before it started getting dismantled. They are now at the SS dismantling phase.
Keep talking about reforming capitalism though.
- New Deal boosted USA economy for decades tho, shit got done & people could spend.
- Okay so is every possible candidate for an American left wing leader just "a centrist whose afraid of communists?" Why even bother arguing with me then you've already made up your mind. The reality is he pushed through left wing legislation that pulled working class Americans out of the depression and put America onto the world stage as the leading power. His actions make him centre left regardless of the reasons you think he made them.
  FDR did more for American workers reforming capitalism than any revolutionaries have since.
And the party has been running right ever since
The guy that locked up Japanese US citizens? A majority of the brains behind the New Deal came from his SoL Francis Perkins
- No left wing government has ever been authoritarian or had institutionalised racism, you're so right

Many political terms are so emotionally charged they are virtually useless except to insight controversy. In media it’s all a complete distraction to cause in-fighting and control how we think

Easily applied to México too, at most some parties might be center and from there lean left or right (and constantly switch) but we don't really have a leftist one.

Now one who is much more aligned to the right would be the current party in power, with all the shit they keep doing to strip us from our rights.
But the people seem happy being shitted on just so they are given a very small amount of money every 2 months so... We're doomed.