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US vetoes UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire

www.semafor.com US vetoes UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire | Semafor

The vote came a day after the U.S. Secretary of State issued his strongest criticism of Israel since the war started.

The U.S. vetoed a UN Security Council resolution Friday calling for a ceasefire to the fighting in Gaza.
The U.S. and Israel have opposed calls for a ceasefire, saying it would strengthen Hamas.
The vote was delayed for several hours over worries the U.S. would veto it. Diplomats from several Arab nations met with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken to try to convince the U.S. to abstain from voting.
As a permanent member of the council, the U.S. has veto power, and had signaled it planned to block the resolution. The U.K. abstained from the vote, while the 13 other members of the council voted for it.

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15 countries voting, they lost 13-1 (UK abstained), literally only the US voted against the resolution and yet they can veto it.
- It is clearly US and UK vs Gaza children.
  "Oh hamas did this and that so lets kill them all, stop water food and aid and move 2 million around" is not justified ...
  
  This was always the plan.
  People are wising up but I doubt anything can stop it now.
  Cat is out of the bag.
  
  It is clearly US and UK
  The UK abstained, that is explicitly not supporting the US. It's not objecting either, but it's not supporting.
  What I find interesting is that the PM Rishi Sunak talks in full support of Israel in national politics, yet on the international stage the stance is now slightly more neutral.
- Does a "no" vote by the US automatically veto it? Or did they have to take an additional action? If the vote alone didn't veto it, that's the perfect place to hedge your bets. Vote no, then don't veto it. You can claim both sides then to appease everyone.
  
  No by the US (or China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom) means veto.
- Where are the vote results
  
  Valid question, I got it from another article: https://thehill.com/homenews/ap/ap-politics/ap-un-chief-and-many-nations-demand-immediate-humanitarian-cease-fire-in-gaza-but-us-remains-opposed/

US refuses to block Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
- US actively supports Israeli genocide of Palestinians.

I don't expect Joe Biden to act against his interests, but I also can't believe he thinks this is in his interest! Are there that many people in America who think this is the right thing to do? People danced when Henry Kissinger died, who fails to see the legacy of this?
- Middle America. Specifically people in purple states. Biden is coming into an election that’s sounding like it’s going to be won by 5 votes or lost by a million. He’s trying to win support in swing states. Unfortunately those swing state voters tend to be union guys, who are more conservative. They like a blue collar guy, but they want him to have hardline stances on things. We’re hearing conflicting things from this administration for a reason. A veto on the UN makes headlines and sounds like the US is being supportive, but we’re also hearing about back room conversations where the administration is voicing their disapproval of the bombing and threatening to withhold funding. I imagine if this was before the war in Ukraine we would see a different reaction by the Biden Administration. Plus Israel gives us a launch point into middle eastern operations.
  
  That makes little sense. Why would blue collar workers support Israel’s genocidal bombardment campaign? It’s not in their interest. The UAW is even calling for a ceasefire.
  Also, the Biden administration can claim all day that they are in back room negotiations with Israel. However, those claims ring hollow when they’re simultaneously trying to pass bills in congress that unconditionally give Israel military aid. People see that and naturally lose faith in anything the administration says.
  
  Not only that but Israel still provides a lot of spy tech. Local US law enforcement have been using Israeli tools to get into peoples' phone records, or even the phones themselves.

These are times when I'm ashamed to be an American.
- I'm 70 years old. Of course it's not the first time. Cute meme though.
- Nowadays I wonder if you guys have any times you aren't.
  
  We always seem to be pro genocide

Genocide Joe is insatiable.
- Trump would be 10x worse, or is that what you had in mind?
  
  Both options would have been collosal twats about this. It's still valid to call the person currently being a twat about it a twat.
  
  What's 10x worse than a genocide?
- Ah yes, I am sure Trump wouldn’t do the same thing as well 🙄
  The US will always back Israel because the US sees military strategic value against the Middle East with Israel, namely Iran. It also helps that Israel exports a lot of medical equipment to the US as well, so financially we have a good relationship with them there as well.
  
  "trump worse" doesn't mean that this isn't bad. The bar is so fucking low at this point, and even then Dems can't clear it.
  
  The US will always support genocidal maniacs is not a valid argument, and neither is that Trump is as bad.
  I genuinely can't understand why you are defending a genocide. This is bad for the US's international standing. It hurts the US-led coalition against Russia. Even if you don't care or humanize Palestinians, you should at least pretend to care about long term US interests at home and abroad.
  "Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine" https://archive.ph/ctAhD
  “We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South . [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”
  Many developing countries have traditionally supported the Palestinian cause, seeing it through the prism of self-determination and a push against the global dominance of the US, Israel’s most important backer.
  “What we said about Ukraine has to apply to Gaza. Otherwise we lose all our credibility,” the senior G7 diplomat added. “The Brazilians, the South Africans, the Indonesians: why should they ever believe what we say about human rights?”
  
  I love how libs immediately bleat about Trump when presented with the fact that it's their chosen savior doing a genocide. These people have no actual morals.

Trump years aside, I've rarely been so ashamed of my country. And I'm no spring chicken.

No one should have veto power, it makes any organization extremely undemocratic. And given the American arsenal, it's already difficult to be democratic.

very good harm reduction from the genocide joe junta
- Your avatar is from the national emblem of East Germany, right?
  Fun fact: publicly, the East German government opposed Apartheid. We now know that behind the scenes IMES, run by the East German deputy foreign minister and Stasi employees, sold dozens of shipments of weapons to Apartheid South Africa.
  Source: Van Vuuren, H. (2018). Apartheid guns and money: A Tale of Profit. Weidenfeld & Nicolson.
  
  Nice fairy tale, but fortunately history isn't swayed by anti-communist vermin making up myths. West Germany and Apartheid South Africa had nuclear cooperation while Democratic Germany armed and trained the ANC.
  
  Thats not fun at all!

Every civilian death in Gaza going forward is a direct consequence of US actions. US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
- US is directly responsible for facilitating a genocide.
  So you're not saying they're directly responsible for genocide, merely for facilitating it.

UN is the change.org of the real world. The idea is great but it only works on extremely rare cases. I know its purpose is to stop next world war but it should stop trying to seem like a platform for discussion as there is no discussion to be had when you give someone power to veto any resolution.

The UN with their permanent members are a disgrace. All they do is uphold imperialism and say please don't do that.

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