France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza
“To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold,” France’s foreign minister said on Wednesday.
France is worried "people" will look at their exploits in Africa more deeply if they don't.
39Come on let's be fair to France, they did it in Asia too
12our universities already did it, and most of what you may know about that comes... from the french government
1Nah France is afraid that their low iq Islamic population will start killing French Jews for sport.
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So if my mother died from alcoholism, it would cross a moral threshold, if I got fired for drinking on my job as a school bus driver?
6What colour are the kids on the bus? Who makes, sells and exports the bus?
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"To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold." - France foreign minister, according to the article's first line.
What moral threshold, mr. foreign minister? Moral threshold that separates the western "right and responsibility" to invade, occupy, do mass massacres, out the people through genocide by both killing them by the thousands and destroying or stealing their cultural heritage, funneling all if their natural resources at dirt cheap prices to add to your own wealth? Hmm, maybe it isn't slavery when you just "outsource"it?
What moral threshold? Something like "Israel government can't be fascists because they are the ruling organization over a people that were put through Holocaust by our then-enemies-but-current-allies, so only we can form any narrative about them?"
Western democracies' hypocrisy on full display as usual. Defenders of the human rights, only when it is their people and when they comply with their hegemonic agenda.
6France still refuses to acknowledge its crimes in Africa. Nothing surprising from a racist imperialist regime.
3This is the best summary I could come up with:
France on Wednesday became the latest Western country to reject accusations that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinian civilians in Gaza, a charge that was recently brought before a United Nations court in The Hague.
South Africa has won praise at home and from other countries for challenging what they see as a Western-led global order that is biased toward Israel.
Israel was founded in the aftermath of the Nazi-led genocide of European Jewry, and Germany has rooted much of its post-Holocaust identity in the idea of supporting the Jewish state.
France, home to some of Europe’s largest Jewish and Muslim communities, has seen fierce debates over the conflict in Gaza, including within its top diplomatic ranks.
In November, a dozen French ambassadors in Middle East and North Africa countries expressed unease over Macron’s perceived pro-Israeli stance.
Mr. Séjourné shot back that “we don’t need any lessons from your party,” as France Unbowed has faced intense criticism for refusing to call Hamas a terrorist group.
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2You know? Honestly, genocide doesn't actually exactly fit with what Israel is doing. Mass murder of civilians, starvation, attacks on journalists and aid workers, denial of medical care, theft of people's homes and theft of their property... they're doing virtually every type of war crime, now including the use of chemical weapons apparently, but (edit:
they're not literally trying to exterminate the Palestinians as a genotypeI misunderstood genocide) they could claim without obviously being full of shit that they're not trying to destroy the nation of Palestine completely. I think they are trying to, but it's not as clear-as-day as lot of their crimes which are on video and in the present/past, instead of the future.Almost any type of war crime case could have been mounted against them, and it would have been a more solid case at the ICJ. There wouldn't have been room for all this semantic wiggling in the press over whether it's actually genocide, or merely mass murder and war criminality.
It almost makes me think that there was some sort of deliberate effort to bring over-the-top charges that would leave that wiggle room, instead of more conservative charges. Prosecutors will sometimes do this when they want to kill a case without showing any appearance of other than a vigorous prosecution. You bring murder 1 when you can't prove it, and give the defense something to work with, instead of charging second-degree murder and having a slam dunk.
I have no reason to think they might have done that, but I do wonder about it.
-26You really need to look up the legal definition of genocide. No. I will not provide a link. Put as much effort into research as you put into writing from the perspective of ignorance. I'll get you started. Genocide is not defined as the intent to exterminate a genotype.
15I'm gonna look past your totally unnecessary hostility and just say I looked it up and you're 100% right. Trying to eradicate Palestine as a nation is genocide, even if they don't literally kill all the ethnic Palestinians. And yeah, that undercuts what I was saying a little bit... IDK, maybe you could argue that by couching it in terms that could be debated instead of "simpler" war crimes they were still trying to overcharge the offense, but it's a lot shakier.
(Edit: Actually, wait, no. It's debatable on the world stage whether they're literally trying to eradicate the nation of Palestine. They can claim that they're "only reacting to terrorism" or etc. I think that's bullshit and they are trying to eradicate Palestine, but I still think that charging them with the simple war crimes that no one can with a straight face deny that they're doing would still be a much stronger case.)
I think the hostility is especially silly since on this topic I'm obviously on your side and opposed to the slaughter of Palestinians by the Israelis.
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Exactly what I felt when reading South Africa's claim. They are going to get mushed.
I'd disagree on the will to actually genocide, I don't think Israel want to destroy the palestinian people. Having studied Israel military history for fun and giggles I however feel like they work on a "the ends justify the means" policy. A policy that was proven by soldiers to be perfect to ensure warcrimes.
Worse, if you look into a thing called the Masada Complex, you'll realise that the "ends" means : "not getting sent back to auschwitz". Yep they still work on the basis that in case of defeat, it's back to the gas chambers. Which is, as you can guess, excellent for making sound and reasonnable decision L O L. Now add that they also practice mime tactics against the HAMAS "you fire rockets at us, we fire rocket at you, too bad we have better anti missile system". They considder that if the fucking jihadist can do it, they can do it too.
Charging them with warcrimes would be devastating because it would prove that the problem isn't even the war but how they wage it. Which is a feeling shared among an extreme majority of Israeli primarily because despite all that bullshit there are still hundreds of hostage in the hand of one of the most brutal, powerful, and fascist terrorist organization in the world
-6You're someone who believes in the Uyghur genocide conspiracy, and you're seriously going to come in and try to argue that Isreal isn't committing genocide? You could have saved yourself a lot of typing and just said that Isreal can't be committing genocide because they're the good guys, and only bad guys can be guilty of genocide.
9Thank you. You better tell the rest of the people in this thread, because they seem hell bent on thinking that I am somehow pro-Israel and they need to aggressively lecture me at length on how Israel actually is committing genocide no matter how many time I say yes, they are. IDK, maybe people got hung up on my one initial statement before I read up and amended it, or maybe me saying that not all the people in the world believe Israel is committing genocide is still too "pro-Israel" a statement, and I'm obviously an enemy.
I've basically concluded at this point that lemmy.ml is a very silly place.
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