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President Biden holds country supplying weapons responsible for casualties inflicted by those weapons

www.whitehouse.gov Remarks by President Biden Before Marine One Departure | The White House

South Lawn 10:34 A.M. EST Q Mr. President, what — do you hold Iran responsible for the death of the three Americans? Q Have you made a decision how you’ll respond to the attacks? THE PRESIDENT: Yes. Q And — Q Mr. President, do you hold Iran responsible for the death of those three Americans?…

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So...
Since Biden went around Congress to supply weapons to Israel they're using to genocide the people of Gaza...
Biden is now claiming personal responsibility for the genocide in Gaza?
Like, has anybody honestly checked on Biden lately? Does he not understand what he's saying or is he really leaning into "what are you gonna do, vote trump?" Strategy this hard already?
Because the danger is depressing turnout enough trump may win, not Dem voters voting trump.
And this shit show of a comment is going to depress turnout for Biden...
- I really think Trump will win again. Regardless of my opinion, I see that Republicans are focusing mainly on "look how good our guy is" and Democrats are only saying "look how bad that guy is" . The Democrats don't seem enthusiastic about their candidate.
  
  The thing is they're half assing it.
  They want voter to believe at the same time:
  If trump is president he can do anything he wants.
  If Biden is president, the president has no power.
  Only Republicans and neoliberals are used to dealing with that level of cognitive dissonance.
  It's why 1/3 of eligible voters don't vote.
  
  It is because they aren’t. Biden is a “not Trump” candidate. That’s it. We are voting against Trump, not for Biden.
- Not only supplying Israel is the direct reason why US soldiers are being targeting but also it bace the way to radicalized the new bin laden and the new ISIS. Who would target US individuals and interests every where.
  While in the past the attacks are mostly is happening in middle east, there are no guarantees to fight will affect civilians in the US.
  No one talk why bin laden became anti-usa eventhough he studied in western university and from a wealthy family. It is the US foreign affairs in supporting Israel that resulted in 9/11 directly or indirectly.
- He’s really leaning in already, and the damn fool is going to lose the election because of it. Absolutely disgraceful.
- It's not going around congress when you literally don't have to
  
  If he literally didn't have to go around congress, why did he?
  Just for a laugh?
  Just to show he could if he wanted to?
  Did he fucking forget that he could.

So he's taking responsibility for Gaza?
- Not just Gaza, USA is the biggest arms dealer in the world.

I think that's a good, fair way of treating arms dealers. Let's apply that to everyone then yeah?
Lets apply that to everyone.

Q Mr. President, do you hold Iran responsible for the death of those three Americans?
THE PRESIDENT: I do hold respon- — them responsible in the sense that they’re supplying the weapons to the people who did it.
Cool. Now do Israel.

So they'll sue gun shops owners when there's a mass-killing going on, right?
- Do you sue car dealerships when a drunk driver kills someone?
  
  Bars certainly can be held liable for drunk drivers they served.
  
  I wish
  
  Not dealerships, but 43 US states plus DC, have dram shop laws that allow a drunk driver to sue the establishment that overserved.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

Now do Israel
- Israel: Now do Hamas.
  Whataboutism is stupid. Two wrongs don't make a right.
  
  Hamas: Israel funded us. Now do israel.

Pot, kettle, eejit !! 🤡

Pot screams out that the kettle is black.

Funny how that works.

This is going to be the reason we get fascism.
- US already has fascism
- If electorate are that dumb then we deserve it
  
  It's not even the electorate, the DNC is pushing Octogenarian Joe and his zionist sympathetic ideology. While they are also hiding any real alternative.

misleading headlines are misleading:
Q But directly responsible?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, we’ll have that discussion.
- This is from the same President that slurred "womenofamerica" at a rally, so I guess it's understandable he would confuse being responsible for being responsible.
  
  that last statement you made sounds wierd. He said what has been the status quo. Those selling are somewhat responsible but not directly responsible. Thats why the us gets so much flak (well and the actual do things we do)

That means Canada’s done some bad shot too. We actually sell a shit-tonne of weapons.

Why did no one ask a follow-up question about that remark?

I have a feeling Russia will use this... Expect them quoting Biden any time soon.

Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "what about…?") is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense of the original accusation. ... Leonid Bershidsky called whataboutism a "Russian tradition", while The New Yorker described the technique as "a strategy of false moral equivalences". Julia Ioffe called whataboutism a "sacred Russian tactic", and compared it to accusing the pot of calling the kettle black. ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- Citations Needed podcast: Whataboutism - The Media's Favorite Rhetorical Shield Against Criticism of US Policy
  Since the beginning of what’s generally called ‘RussiaGate’ three years ago, pundits, media outlets, even comedians have all become insta-experts on supposed Russian propaganda techniques. The most cunning of these tricks, we are told, is that of “whataboutism” – a devious Soviet tactic of deflecting criticism by pointing out the accusers’ hypocrisy and inconsistencies. The tu quoque - or, “you, also” - fallacy, but with a unique Slavic flavor of nihilism, used by Trump and leftists alike in an effort to change the subject and focus on the faults of the United States rather than the crimes of Official State Enemies.
  But what if "whataboutism" isn’t describing a propaganda technique, but in fact is one itself: a zombie phrase that’s seeped into everyday liberal discourse that – while perhaps useful in the abstract - has manifestly turned any appeal to moral consistency into a cunning Russian psyop. From its origins in the Cold War as a means of deflecting and apologizing for Jim Crow to its braindead contemporary usage as a way of not engaging any criticism of the United States as the supposed arbiter of human rights, the term "whataboutism" has become a term that - 100 percent of the time - is simply used to defend and legitimizing American empire’s moral narratives.
  Ben Burgis @ Current Affairs: Is “Whataboutism” Always a Bad Thing?
  Discussing the crimes of our own country as well as the crimes of others is not always an effort to downplay other countries’ crimes—it can be a test of whether we are serious about our principles.

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