Voting for someone that does not represent you because you are more scared of the other guy is indistinguishable, as a signal, from someone that fully supports them. By voting against your own interests you are actively undermining the democratic process.
Democracy has forever been synonymous with class based societies. It has split entire countries into two barely-distinctive political parties (conservative and "progressive") that are nevertheless permanently at each other's throats. Even in its most libertarian-friendly forms, it has constantly failed to avert hierarchy, coercion and the authoritarian machinations of majority-groups.
Unfortunately, many countries have First-Past-The-Post voting systems, so voting for a third party is often, mathematically, basically the same as voting for the competition.
It's called "The Spoiler Effect", if you want to look it up, and it's why we have many of the two party problems we have today in modern democracy. Ranked Choice/Single Transferrable Vote are much better systems.
Well, many democracies do not vote for their president directly – parliament elects one. They are usually from the strongest party, although if enough smaller parties can get a majority, they can elect the president.
I don't think it's a moderate, left, or right problem. More a "the current power structure will never support it" because it works for those in power now to their advantage.
Or just hand the election over to the guy who is going to push the pedal down all that stuff you claim to care about. We’re trying to minimize our losses as best we can, and right now, Biden seems to be the best that Democrats can muster up. Not the best situation to be in, but he’s still miles ahead of Trump on everything. Any issue you care about, well you’ll be reading about them in history books as an afterthought if Trump comes to power… if history books haven’t already been censored to just ignore any controversial issues altogether. Who the hell even needs history books when we have the Bible, the only source of information a citizen would ever need, that and TNN, the Trump News Network.
If third parties really want to make a change, they need to go after smaller, local elections, you build up a movement from the ground up. Any third parties in national elections that have almost no presence anywhere else are highly suspect and likely just there for the attention and/or to draw votes from one candidate or another.
Sad that the system disincentives people in safe states to take their vote seriously. I get it, though. I protest voted in a safe state in 2016. Just... remember that if things go south, the knowledge that your vote was pointless doesn't always erase all of the guilt.
"vote for the lesser evil" has always sucked... but there's a pretty big difference between neoliberal and guy who directly says he wants to be dictator, already tried to overthrow the government once, and is promising mass deportation (on a genocidal level) and theocracy
if he wins, it's the end of the ability to vote third party...
“I’m going to vote against the dude that is giving weapons to Israel, who gives weak-effort strongly worded letters to try to stop being assholes in the butchering of Gaza. Nevermind that in doing so it ensures the win of the fascist megalomaniac who will shove weapons faster, and has given full throated support to Israel, along with the party that says that everyone in Gaza should die. That’ll teach them. Fuckin moderates, compromise with me or I’ll help Gaza burn faster.”
If you think cutting off arms to Israel and promising not to block strikes is "everything" you really aren't paying attention. And please, take a moment to consider what compromises Biden has made with progressives and leftists. Give me some examples.
Let's have an honest discussion about where in between "nothing" and "everything" compromises have been made for the policies and decisions leftists and progressives are fighting for.
“I’m going to vote for a dude that will ensure the comfort of westerners at the cost of black and brown lives around the world and I feel good about this because the alternative is worse. Of course my life is more important than someone in Gaza! The status quo of this system isn’t stomping on me as much as it can and I’d like to keep it that way as long as I can. Yes, please focus your stomping boot somewhere else and I’ll continue to vote for that boot. There’s no ethical line I won’t cross to save myself from oppression because I’m a coward who refuses to listen to the oppressed”
Democracy is already dead if we are forced to vote for genocide. It might just take those comfortable with the status quo longer to figure that out.
The GOP is running out of cash saving the orange fascist from the results of his own actions. They'll go bankrupt and then we'll have a one party system where everyone will have to vote for whatever our party brass puts on the ballot for us.
“We like how things are and while we like some of what you offer and suggest you want it all or nothing which is too much of a shock so we’ll stick with what we know. But right now we’re literally trying to fight off a fascist Hitler wanna-be, how about we fucking discus this later?”
3rd party candidates will never win. Ross Perot did the best in 92 and did not capture a single state.
There is no 3rd party candidate currently doing as well as Perot was doing in 96 - when he dropped out of the race - much less as well as he did in 92.
He literally can't, because the compromise progressives want is to stop the attack on Gaza and Biden can't stop that, only Bibi can and he is absolutely intent on killing everyone in Gaza.
Cutting off aid to Gaza isn't going to stop the attack because Israel isn't reliant on current aid to make it happen. They have a stockpile built up from decades of support.
So, Biden tells Israel to get fucked, he loses the campaign donations from the Israel pac to get elected.
Watch Trump come out during the RNC convention and condemn Israel and the genocide. Just raw dogging that cognitive dissonance. Get Dan Scavino on the phone. Let’s do a focus group and just fuck this shit up. /s
I just realized America’s entire history has been right wing propaganda.
There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even tacitly take part. And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus and you've got to make it stop. And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all
Leftists and progressives did compromise though. A lot of us voted for Biden in the 2020 general election. Zero compromises came back the other way. As we head into the election there's two major issues Biden could compromise on.
Don't support genocide.
Don't block strikes.
But the fact that moderates aren't interested in compromising on either of these things and has failed to provide any other meaningful opportunities for compromise means:
Moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with leftists and progressives.