People working in the meat industry: could/can you actually feel the effects of the rise of veganism of the last ~10 years? How (much) did it affect the area you work in?

I'm not working in the meat industry, but in the german food industry. German meat consumption has gone significantly down, but the most "feelable" effect would be that vegan and/or vegetarian options are now a must for every restaurant owner who knows what he is doing. A few years ago it was normal for restaurants to have no vegan option on the menu or for them to be kind of crappy. Now there are so many vegetarians that you will run into problems with your restaurant if your vegetarian option is crappy - because those vegetarians will complain to their family and friends and lead them into other restaurants.

(and yeah, there are still restaurants left without good options for vegetarians. Your region also might play a role - but chances are that you can find a pizza without meat on the menu that is not a Margherita)

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the most “feelable” effect would be that vegan and/or vegetarian options are now a must for every restaurant owner who knows what he is doing.

As a life-long lacto-ovo vegetarian, this is one of my favourite things. There are so many options now. When I was a kid, the options were few, and you never went out to restaurants (unless they were super specific weirdo niche vegetarian/vegan restaurants) because there weren't any options for you.

MacDonalds had a vegetarian burger here for a while, but they discontinued that after a while because it wasn't popular. Max, another fast food chain here, now has like three different vegan patties, and one vegetarian one, and there are dozens of burger/whatever variations. It's amazing and makes me feel like a normal person.

I was never a huge fan of the gluten free/vegan/whatever trends, but I'm so glad for the positive effects they had on food culture as a whole.

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- It helps a lot for the burgers that there are now actually good fake meat options. Before the Impossible burger you basically had to lie to yourself to think fake meat was equivalent.
  
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Even in the US, which consumes a pretty unhealthy amount of meat per capita, you can see that impact somewhat. Vegan options are still iffy compared to vegetarian ones, but there are definitely more places I can eat now than ever. The suburbs aren't nearly as good as cities, but that's to be expected, I think. Even compared to a few years ago, it's better - it's not just a sad plate of lettuce with no dressing or dry pasta.

I won't say that people's meat consumption is down here because data doesn't back that up, but at least those of us who don't eat it are finally getting a few choices.

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- Bonefish grill. There are no good vegetarian options at bonefish grill. So every company outing we have, we don't go there anymore, even though it's the closest place.
  
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- When even Culver's has a veggie burger, the times are changing.
  
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- It seems like any place with a decent chunk of money will also be a place with more veg-friendly restaurants.
  
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Here it is graphed out by year.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525324/meat-per-capita-consumption-germany/#:~:text=Germans consumed around 52 kilograms,annually going lower and lower.

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Volume is pretty rigorously tracked by regulatory bodies that are responsible for food safety.

The US’s data is here: https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/livestock-and-meat-domestic-data/

I’d copy and paste some stuff into this thread, but it looks like some parts of this site are under maintenance right now. That said, others have charted the data. https://www.agweb.com/opinion/drivers-us-capita-meat-consumption-over-last-century

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Woah, looks like chickens were our friends until the 1940s when people started eating the friends

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- The 1940-1950 era is the rough timeframe when the factory farming of poultry took off, especially once antibiotics started being widely used to group even more chickens together in those factory conditions. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_the_United_States_poultry_farming_industry#History_of_federal_policy_on_antibiotic_use_in_livestock
  
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- Lamb is at 0 lbs/y? I find that and turkey to be suspiciously low
  
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- I had to reread your comment like 5 times because I kept reading "chickpeas" instead of "chickens"
  
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That's actually quite an insane chart. So the average american eats around 125kg of meat a year? France is at 83kg, Italy at 81kg and Canada at 82kg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

Current german recommendations for healthy eating are saying that around 300 grams of meat a week are the max and Americans really seem to eat that every day.

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- Apparently so, but there is a wide variance in American diets. I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest meat eaters are skewing that data quite a bit.
  
  It’s not exact, but I just did a tally of the meat I’ve bought in the last year and it’s about 20 lbs. I could’ve forgotten something, and had a handful of meals out, so I’ll round up to 25lbs to be safe. Totally anecdotal, but 9% of the average listed here. I know I’m on the low end, but for most of my family I’d be pretty shocked if they ate over 3lb a week, or ~150lbs a year.
  
  I live in the south and it seems like about half the people I meet eat more along the lines of what seems normal to me for someone eating meat, anywhere from 4-10x a week. A lot of those outside of dinners can be very small amounts of meat.
  
  The other half unfortunately seem to be the type that consider it a tough challenge when they stop eating meat at every single meal, and it’s often at least 30% of their meal. It’s wild.
  
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Any idea what caused the dip from 04 to 09?

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- There might be a number of factors, but most notably, beef prices started to rise and people switched to other meats, also 2003, 05 and 06 marked the first 3 documented outbreaks of mad cow disease in the US.
  
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I see the 2008 decline in beef.

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- Thanks to Oprah
  
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Wow, thanks, that was interesting! It seems like people kind of gave up around 2017. Or some other indirect factor.

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- TIL Americans fucking loooove chicken
  
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The ~~consolation~~ consolidation of meat packing has had a significant effect on producers. Possibly greater than fewer people eating meat. For those that can try to buy your meat from a local farmer or rancher. It will taste better and is more ethical.

Fuck JBS, Cargill, National Beef and Tyson.

https://prospect.org/power/big-four-meatpackers-crushing-small-ranchers/

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Consolidation perhaps?

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- Yeah, my thumbs don't know how to spell
  
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how can I help as a vegetarian?

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- Farm fesih eggs. And boy they taste so much better than the store bought ones. Also all the farmers market veggies you can get you hands on. Just make sure you are buying from real farms. I have seen a few people buy just regular wholesale cases of veggies and selling them a local farm fresh.
  
  Also thank you so much for not just saying I am a terrible person for advocating for independent rancher. I truly just want to see a better way of getting everyone fed.
  
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- If you're a convert, your cheat days could be with local beef. If you don't do cheat days (idk if those are a thing; I've been vegetarian since birth), then I have no clue.
  
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Reddit would have hundreds of resposes, true or not.

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Honestly, it’s the same with Lemmy. Lemmy has no shortage of overly confident people who have everything figured out, despite having little to no data or first hand experience with the topic at hand.

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- That’s everywhere on the internet.
  
  Give everyone a platform to be heard and anonymity to hide who they are and you will suddenly have a bunch of experts.
  
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- Much, possibly most, of the lemmy userbase is just people that used to use reddit until recently or still do, so this is unsurprising
  
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I'm sure. I don't think I should trust any other platform any more (people being partially informed, delusional, idiots, or just trying to paint reality in their preferred colour are everywhere, from town hall meetings to 4chan), but I was just genuinely curious. The question arose in me today when I looked at the egg carton that said it was from free range hens and made me think of all the petty lies and misguiding info that companies have been pulling to greenwash their product. I just wonder if veganism managed to make a dent, at least. I'm hoping so.

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- Its a nice question I wish there were more replies to read is all
  
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"my unspecifed buddy is an expert on the matter. He once told me that vegans are causing all kinds of problems with farmers, due the the decreased meat consumption the anamials aren't getting kill as much, causing over population and increased methane emissions. This is bad for the environment, vegans are dooming us all."

Is that enough bull for the day?

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The insightful one that has a graph and links to primary sources is up higher. That's most of what we need.

Although a few funny ones would be nice too.

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Not true because mods would remove it because of some rule or delete it because they were paid off by the meat industry

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