People need to understand that it's possible to vote against genocide.
Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is "only" Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide, because if he's in office there's less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.
The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it's not a bad idea.
19Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
Joe Biden is "only" Genocide abroad, and probably less of it.
Therefore, a vote for Joe Biden is a Vote against genocide.
No, it's a vote for genocide, but less. Still the right thing to do of course, but I'm sure you can see how that is still a vote for genocide. No need to twist yourself in knots to justify this, it's a vote for genocide AND the only sensible thing you can do in the current American political system.
Personally I can understand how this doesn't sell people on the idea so well. Maybe Biden just shouldn't do that
5voting for a little smidge of genocide isn't voting against genocide. it's still voting for genocide
and israel-palestine is more than a smidge
5Isn't it great, living in a country where our two choices are "genocide" or "less genocide"
5The utility calculation
voting for bad people is bad. utilitarianism literally says the ends justify the means and most people don't believe that. i'm one of "most people".
4Alright, what ethics system are you using to reduce questions of morality to questions of fact? Kantian deontology? The principles of Nicomachean Ethics? The Bible?
most people don't believe that [the ends justify the means]
Why do you say this? Is there a study that says that? What were it's methods? Was it a single question, or were people subjected to a series of moral dilemmas?
In my experience, most people when faced with the trolly problem will conclude you should pull the lever, so I'm very curious as to the basis of your reasoning.
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Donald Trump is Genocide at home and abroad.
That will also probably mean the end of the USA (for good). and may be that'll mean less of "it's fine when we fund or kill people abroad"
And now start your deflection about how you're keeping the peace in the world and savior of the world. Forget everything about afghanistan, iraq, vietnam and countless other regime changes. I hope the bubble bursts and you get to see how people in war zones feel.
4deflection about how you're keeping the peace in the world
I value honesty and reason far too deeply to do something that blatantly stupid. The United States' foreign policy is a net negative for the rest of the world taken as a whole.
Instead I'll comment thus:
That will also probably mean the end of the USA (for good). and may be that'll mean less of
I'm going to assume this statement is made in ignorance, because the alternative is that you're a fool. This strategy is called "accelerationism". Its results are well-documented, and while I could very well be missing something, I'm unaware of any time it's worked in leftists' favor.
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-11Bidens done so many speeches that have been interrupted by anti genocide protesters, one 17 times.
All he has to do to secure this vote is be anti genocide. And we still get people saying 'he's better than the other guy'4 years ago it was vote Biden because he could be pushed left. Turns out that was a lie.
This whole discourse is designed to prop up a system that's fundamentally broken. Americans should be having some very uncomfortable discussions with each other.
3You do recognize where this was posted, yeah?
I think at this point I'm supposed to simply reply "ratio".
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Look, we know it sucks but you have to make it through it AND you have to continue to participate in this system if you want it to work for you.
I lived through Reagan, through Bush, through Trump and every time republicans are elected it sets us back decades.
Do you actually think a republican is going to stop the genocide when the Christians want that shit to happen?
This type of shit is foreign or domestic douchebags trying to derail Biden.
We are going to get him in, we are going get rid of the foreign agents within the parties, we are going to tax the fuck out of the billionaires, we are going to fund healthcare and education, we are going to get more progressive.
Why? Because it’s time. But we can’t do it while carrying all the boomer dead weight. It will take another term for us to rid ourselves of the boomer era cancer that plagues politics. We will take time to get progressives in office. Maybe 8 years if you all actually start getting involved rather than just making memes.
You vote Republican you vote for genocide, you vote Biden and you get a chance to get rid of Netanyahu for good.
12Meaningful change never comes from voting. It never has. It has always come through organizing and direct action. If you have been around for awhile you should know this already. In my country two elections ago the social democrat party got elected and implemented some of the most anti-worker and anti-immigration policy this country has ever seen. It's not about who is the president or who you vote for. In non swing states your vote literally doesn't matter at all. In swing states it's rare one vote or even a thousand matter.
The real vote for genocide is arguing and putting your faith in voting. I honestly thought that Biden enabling genocide would make people see the flaws in our system. But people only seem to bury their heads in the sand deeper. If you truly care about genocide do something about it. And if you already do please take some time to try to understand why people, many of them muslim who care and do everything they can to stop this genocide, might not wanna vote or participate in this useless and meaningless action.
8Neither is Biden. Neither is any Democrat. When faced with even a hint of moving left of mid right dem establishment the dnc went to court to affirm that they do what they want.
Telling yourself the guy who sidesteps congress to supply and fund genocide is less fascist than the guy who wants to sidestep congress to back genocide is lunacy.
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-13rd party isn't even participating. If you want to play the game, you have to understand the rules.
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The lib shitshow during US election season is always wild
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Get your shit right, hes taken another $1.4m since October 7. Currently sitting at $5.7m
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-3hang in there Palestine, i found you another warrior to come defend you.. this memer is on his way to fight.. he's no longer satisfied with just making memes in your defense.. he's packing his shit and getting on the bus with the other memers, and heading your way..
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